Question about WOT?

_chris_

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I am new to this prop stuff and have a quick question.

When you hit WOT is that where your boat will not go any faster or gain any more RPM? I have been reading about props and I am confused.


My main goal is to have the propper prop on my boat but also gain a few MPH if possible. Right now at 5,000 RPM I am hitting 27-28 MPH but have alot more RPM to go, this is maybe 75% throttle but it wont gain any more speed and I don't want to blow it up so I pull back.

My boat is a 1972 Glastron V-177 Swinger Tri hull with the AQ130C 270, 9:5:1 Compression, 17.71' long, 85" beam and 1613 LBS dry. I usually have 3 people and 18 gallon of fuel. I just learned how to measure the pitch on my prop so when I got home i will do that and post it.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Question about WOT?

Chris, welcome to Iboats prop forum and we will try to help you as much as we can, but there is certain information that is needed in order to help you. Working over the internet and not being able to see the boat or prop the question is about makes it much harder to propose a solution to the correct prop that you need, and most people don?t know the make and model of the prop . When we get information in bits and pieces we continually have to look back and forth to try and piece the information together. The following form has all of the information that is needed to help you with your problems in finding the right prop. If you do not know all of the information that is asked for on the form please give us the most information you have available as I have a program I designed to find the right prop for any planing hull boat that needs this information. It requires time to find all this information when we have to look for it and in my defense I expect you to be willing to expend as much effort in finding the right prop as I do. We hope to be able to help you get the best prop we can for your particular uses, and this information is required to do that. It is not as simple to pick the right prop as most people coming to this forum think it is, that is why we ask so many questions, it is for your benefit we ask all these questions.
There are other people who can help you that don?t need this much information, if you would rather wait for them just don?t fill out the information I am requesting. And if you have a stainless steel prop or are changing to one the blade geometry of the prop can make a lot of difference in speed, RPM and the handling characteristics of the boat. Most of my calculations are done assuming an aluminum 3 bladed prop will be used, when changing to a SS or 4 blade prop, or changing within SS props we need to discuss what you are trying to accomplish.

Iboats Boat and Motor Info
1. Year, make and model of boat
2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat
2a.What is the recommended HP for your boat
3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat
4. What do you use the boat for
5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of deadrise
6. Year, make and model of motor
7. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
7A If you have a mercruiser and don?t know the ratio get your serial off the outdrive and go here http://www.sterndrives.com/mercruisersterndrives.html
8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range
9. Anti-ventilation Plate height above keel of boat if it is an outboard in inches
10. Is it a bass boat or does it have a pad bottom
11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs
12. Make, model, diameter, pitch and whether SS or aluminum prop
13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. If you do not have a tach you can buy a Tiny Tach for $ 50
14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet
15. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way, checked compression, and looked at the plugs and checked spark, all of the forgoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM
16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop
17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see
18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations

REMEMBER, The numbers I give you will be NO better than the information you give me

The only thing I ask of you is to come back and give me a report of WOT RPM and speed for my database.

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_chris_

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Re: Question about WOT?

Iboats Boat and Motor Info
1. Year, make and model of boat
1972 Glastron V-177 Swinger

2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat
17.71', 85" Beam and 1613 LBS Dry

2a.What is the recommended HP for your boat
130

3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat
3 people and 18 gallon of Gas

4. What do you use the boat for
Fishing, Skiing, Cruising

5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of deadrise
Tri hull

6. Year, make and model of motor
1972 AQ130C 270 9:5:1 Compression

7. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
130 Not sure on Gear Ratio

7A If you have a mercruiser and don?t know the ratio get your serial off the outdrive and go here http://www.sterndrives.com/mercruisersterndrives.html

8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range
5500 RPM

9. Anti-ventilation Plate height above keel of boat if it is an outboard in inches

10. Is it a bass boat or does it have a pad bottom
No

11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs
No

12. Make, model, diameter, pitch and whether SS or aluminum prop
Unknown, Aluminum, will get size tonight.

13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. If you do not have a tach you can buy a Tiny Tach for $ 50
5,000 RPM at 28 MPH 3 people 18 gallons fuel

14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet
1100

15. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way, checked compression, and looked at the plugs and checked spark, all of the forgoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM
Runs fine, Carbs just rebuilt.

16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop
30 years and because the old man that owened it wrecked one and just picked up what was available and stuck with it. I don't know if it is wrong just want to be sure.

17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see
No

18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations
At 5,000 RPM it still has alot more throttle to go but will not gain any MPH, I don't know if this is normal or not.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Question about WOT?

Chris, it sounds like you are definitely under propped for your boat and motor. Please look on the outside of the prop and if you don't find the size take the prop off the boat and look inside for the size, this is very important just as the gear ratio as well, look on the outdrive for the numbers for the gear ratio or serial number of the drive unit. I show that your motor should have WOT at 5,100 RPM and a 2.15:1 gear ratio, please verify this. With this information we can pick a better prop for your boat.


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_chris_

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Re: Question about WOT?

Thanks, I have already looked at the side and their is nothing, I will be home in an hour or so and will pop it off and look and also get the gear ratio. Thanks for your help so far.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Question about WOT?

No problems, Chris I will be waiting.



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_chris_

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Re: Question about WOT?

OK the prop is marked 15 x 15R and is a Johnson Oakland

I could not find the gear ratio but this is the number off the outdrive
PZ NR 2720146D

Hope this helps.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Question about WOT?

My numbers show you well below the potential speed of that boat and motor, I have a 16' flats boat with a 40 HP that goes faster than this carrying a total weight of over 1,500 pounds and yours is only about 2,000 pounds. You are definitely under propped but without knowing the actual gear ratio I can only hope that my information is correct. Is there a chance you can borrow a 19" prop from a friend, if not you need to take the spark plugs out of the motor and put tape on the prop and lower unit then turn it 2.15 times to see if it is lined up on the prop so we know what the gear ratio is.


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_chris_

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I don't know anyone near me with a prop so I will go out now and pull the plugs and crank it over to check, see you in a few minutes.



I wish it wasn't 100 degrees outside.
 

_chris_

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Re: Question about WOT?

BTW what does the 15 x 15R stand for?
 

hwsiii

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Re: Question about WOT?

15" diameter by 15" pitch Right hand turn prop. Sorry Chris.


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_chris_

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OK just checked it and it was 2.15 turns.
 

hwsiii

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Chris, since I don't have a WOT speed and RPM I am not positive which prop you need. I show you need an 18" pitch but there are none available, so we have to go with a 17" or 19" pitch, and I am not positive the 19" won't lower your RPM too much. I also need to know whether your outdrive is a short hub or long hub, and I don't even know how to tell you so you will know the difference. Maybe someone will chime in and tell us how to know the difference between a long hub and a short one.
You need to take the boat out and run it up to at least 5,500 RPM and see if there is any throttle left.

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_chris_

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OK I will also ask around about the hub size. My RPM Gauge took a dump on me last time out and is stuck pinned so I will jump on fixin it and getting back out there. I am taking the boat to a 6700 foot elevation this weekend but I don't think any tests there would benifit anything we have worked on.

Is it safe to run it at 5500 RPM? That scares me.
 

_chris_

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OK I just fixed the RPM gauge (Loose wire) I am heading out to the lake now and will report back in a few.

BTW what kind of MPH increase do you foresee in my future with the propper prop?
 

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Re: Question about WOT?

If you hear valves tapping pull the throttle back and only run it long enough to get a reading then pull the throttle back. And maybe this weekend you will see that it won't get to 5,500 RPM.


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_chris_

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OK I was off before since I was just going by memory. I guess when I got to about 5,000 I thought I had more but I didn't. Today I acually brought the GPS and at WOT I was at 4,900 RPM and exactly 30.0 MPH I also switched my prop out to one I had in the garage with no markings and I hit WOT at 4,800 RPM and 30.0 MPH.

Let me know if you need anything else from me.
 

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Chris, you should be getting at least 34 MPH out of your setup, I cant figure out why you aren't. I nahve been searching for a 17" prop that will get you there, but I am having problems even figuring out which hub you have. So at this time I really can't do anything.


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_chris_

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Re: Question about WOT?

Thanks for everything so far, I will also try to figure what I have. Is there just two options short and long hub?
 

_chris_

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Re: Question about WOT?

Here is what I found on Hub size.

Volvo Aquamatic hub sizes
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