Radial vs Bias ply tires

fisherman73

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I am getting ready to replace the tires on my trailer again. I previously had used st rated radials, load ranged C. Although they are not cheap they did not last very long. The boat and trailer weigh approx 6000 lbs, unfortunatly the trailer is barely adequate to handle the load with 14" wheels and surge drum brakes. I was wondering if switching to a bias ply tire may give me better life from the tires. Also wondering if any one has experience with towing this kind of load on a bias ply, and if there are any adverse effects.
 

robert graham

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

I switched from bias to radials several years ago and they work fine, but you have to keep the correct pressure in them...mine call for 50PSI, and if the tires just sit there most of the time with all that weight on them then the treads will seperate from the carcasses and the tires will dry rot long before they wear out. They say it's better to put the trailer up on blocks to get the load off the tires, but I don't, but my boat's not near as heavy as yours. After having a couple of tires fail on the interstate going to Florida I decided to just replace the tires every 3 years just to be sure. Good Luck!
 

bruceb58

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

I was in the same boat with my 14" load range C tires and close to 7000# load. When mine were due to being replaced, I switched over to 15". Now I have a lot more comfort zone. I had to raise my fenders for them to fit and the trailer is now a little taller which would affect launching
 

shorts&chanclas

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

I had understood radials are preferred in most situations over bias
 

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I've never owned bias ply tires that dont develop a flat spot after sitting; some times a few days is all it would take. Leave the trailer sit over the winter I'd assume they would be almost square!

Anyone own them?
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

I have used bias ply tires for over 20 years and have never had a problem letting them sit over 6 months in storage, no matter which tire you use you will want to change the position of contact on the tires for extended periods of non use. I do not use bias ply for the cost savings, but because I have seen some nightmarish blowouts with the radial tires, and do not trust the sidewall strength of radials for towing large loads.
 

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I am not sure, but I bet you are over the max weight limit for any two 14" tires and your wear will always be horrible.
 

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I have used bias ply tires for over 20 years and have never had a problem letting them sit over 6 months in storage, no matter which tire you use you will want to change the position of contact on the tires for extended periods of non use. I do not use bias ply for the cost savings, but because I have seen some nightmarish blowouts with the radial tires, and do not trust the sidewall strength of radials for towing large loads.

My only memorys of bias ply tires is how much side play they had? are the wall in radials stiffer:confused:
rob
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

What do you mean by "didn't last very long"?

I've had nothing on my trailer but radials and my boat / trailer weighs #6500 if not more. Have probably 10K miles on these and they still look like new.

Never worn out. Always replaced with age. The tires on the horse trailer need changed next year but they have 8 years on them.
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

The steel belt in the tread makes radial tires track true without squirm. The radial sidewalls give them better spring and lower running temperature than bias sidewalls. Because the side give is linear and not a squirm, the radial tires tend to track truer and corner better. Because they run cooler, they are less prone to blowout than bias ply tires. Because they don't squirm, they are more sensitive to misalignment, but will have better tread life than bias tires if the alignment is true.

Excessive wear is usually caused by alignment. The heavier they are loaded, the worse the wear will be. If there is more wear near the sides than in the middle of the tread, they are either overloaded or underinflated.

I once borrowed a single axle utility trailer I put a decent set of tires on it. I put a reasonable load in it, and hit the road. 1100 miles later, in the middle of the night going around Flathead Lake, Montana, one of the tires got to end of life and blew. The trailer pulled normally, I thought, but it was out of alignment. Because I was in Montana, in short order I had more help than I could use to change the tire.:D

A good alignment shop should be able to deal with trailer wheel alignment, with the load on the trailer. They may need to bend the axle tube to get it right, but they have the tools for it. There may be issues with spring pin wear or other suspension components. If the axles are too light, or cantilevered too far from the spring for the load, they may not align, but you will know where the problem is.

hope it helps
John
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

" boat and trailer weigh about 6k....."

That had better be a tandam axle trailer. With 4 wheels.

My Champion catalog lists the 14" load range C as 1760#/tire. This equates to a 3500# axle. If you have tandam, that trailer is a 7000# gross weight. If you have one axle, you are way overloaded.
Change the tires to ST 225/75D15. Tires are rated 2150# with a 5 bolt rim. 2540 with a 6 bolt. Much better wearing.
I have these tires (radial) on a rig ( 6 bolt) which weighs 7500 towing weight. The tires have about 4000 miles on them and are not showing any wear. With the 4 wheel disk brakes, they stop rather well.
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

I've seen all types of tires fail under all sorts of different loads and conditions. Most of the time, a tire blows due to age & overloading. I've always thought radials roll better, but I don't think they last longer. I see too many 20 - 25 year old boat trailers still with their original bias ply tires, my own included (replaced a year ago - too much weather checking for comfort). The sun decreases life span a little (or a lot) on both kinds of tires. I've heard from some pretty reputable sources that tires have a life span of 5 years - no matter if they are in use, have the sun beating on them, or still on the shelf at the store. Whether or not that's true, I dunno.

I'm looking at some new skins for my new boat's trailer wheels now, and I'm thinking D range radials to replace the C range bias plies.
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

Just my experience. Bias ply will outlast radials in the rot department.
This is not a statement of fact but just what I have noticed.
 

bruceb58

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Tires last 6 years at the most even if there is no visible rot. There should be no diffrence between a radial or bias tire.
 

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I have a set of ST radials on an enclosed trailer that I have been running for 10 years. Not regular use over that time, but they are still holding up well, good tread and no signs of ROT. they do not sit in direct sun either. They are shaded by trees...
 

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

I've never owned bias ply tires that dont develop a flat spot after sitting; some times a few days is all it would take. Leave the trailer sit over the winter I'd assume they would be almost square!

Anyone own them?

I have bias on the boat trailer. I over inflate (60psi) for long term storage, it helps to minimize flats-potting. But, even if they do flat spot, after a few miles on the road they will "round out" on their own.
 

fisherman73

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Re: Radial vs Bias ply tires

Thanks to all for the advice. It sounds like I must have some alignment issues although I have heard that tandem axle trailers tend to cause some tire scrubbing during parking maneuvers and subsequent abnormal wear. It sounds like many of you have ran radials that tread wear was not an isssue, just weather checking. I wonder how much load is being towed on those tires. I have one tire that flat spotted on a lock up through approx 50 % of the tread. The lock up wasnt more than 20 feet but enough to grind that tire down . To answer questions yes it is a tandem axle trailer. and although I havent tracked it well I would guess that my radials have lasted about 10k miles. I have had to replace 2 tires. One blew due to under inflation and another was side wall punctured so its hard to get a clear picture of how long or which tires are wearing faster. I did end up buying a set of bias plys we will see how they compare, I guess. Ill let you all know after I get them mounted. Thanks again.
 
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