Rangel to reinstate draft (try)

alden135

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Congressman Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft

WASHINGTON (Nov. 19) - A senior House Democrat said Sunday he will introduce legislation to reinstate the military draft, asserting that current troop levels are insufficient to sustain possible challenges against Iran, North Korea and Iraq.


Rep. Charles Rangel , D-N.Y.
Stephan Savoia, AP
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose the measure to reinstate the draft early next year.


"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," said Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose the measure early next year.

At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," he said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

Rangel, incoming chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.

"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."


Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.

The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System trains, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 — now about 16 million — from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.

Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.
 

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All in this effort to be able to say the words "Bush Sent" in a sentance... An example of pathological hatred!

 

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To show what Jerks the Democrats are, this is not the first time that Rangle proposed the draft. After he did the last time the Dems then tried to accuse Bush of secretly proposing the draft. These people are dangerously daffey!
 

i386

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Don't worry. It'll never happen.
 

POINTER94

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Let the class warfare begin. The good news is his party is in the majority so we should have this on the floor in no time. Cool.
 

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No posts from our friends on the other side . . . hmmmmm.

Ironically Rangel brought this stupidity up at the same time that Milton Friedman passed away. Did anybody else read/see this awesome exchange?

When Nixon appointed Friedman to a panel examining whether to abolish the draft, Friedman found that his anti-draft views put him at odds with Gen. William Westmoreland, the Army chief of staff and former Vietnam War commander.

At one point, Westmoreland said he did not want to command an army of "mercenaries."

"I stopped him and said, 'General, would you rather command an army of slaves?' " Friedman later recalled. "He drew himself up and said, 'I don't like to hear our patriotic draftees referred to as slaves.' I replied, 'I don't like to hear our patriotic volunteers referred to as mercenaries.' "
LA Times 11/17

I love quick wit combined with intelligence . . . 8)
 

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When Rangle proposed this a couple of years it went to the floor for a vote, Rangle voted against it. Another liberal nut job d:)
 

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Personally, I think all he is up to is nothing more than an attempt to scare. He wants to scare those citizens that want us to stay in Iraq to the point they are willing to happily withdraw if it means no draft.

The "cut and run" party as described by many of you now wants a draft? Scarier yet, most of you are buying it. Somewhat a conflict of interests to say the least, the party that wants no war now wants to draft for a bigger war? In the words of KIZ, sheeple!
 

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CJY,

Huh? Are you saying that we're dumbies for commenting on Rangel's idiocy or are you saying Rangel is an idiot? And yes, I agree, a total conflict of interest, sanity, policy and in other words, idiocy from a Democrat. Oh, and in the interest of fairness, there is plenty of idiocy from the right, this particular topic is idiocy from the people you put in power . . . ;)
 

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Kwas said:
When Rangle proposed this a couple of years it went to the floor for a vote, Rangle voted against it. Another liberal nut job d:)

In all fairness, when something is “proposed” and when it hits the floor can be two entirely different animals. That anyone votes against their own propostion isn’t necessarily a indication the person is a “nut”.

However, that Rangle is a democrat (aka communist, same thing), is an indication he is mentally ill. Today’s liberalism is a mental illness.
 

CJY

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I'm not commenting on any others' intelligence. I simply gave my point of view. Am I not allowed to do that?

Is it idiocy? I don't know. He certainly has not drafted anyone? It's nothing more than a ploy that both sides use.

Clear the area everyone, we are on an increased state of alert, W just told us. However, resume your daily lives as though everything is ok.

Please don't act as though Rangel is the only elected individual to use scaring citizens as a tactic.
 

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I think it perfectly sensible. For those that have been all gung ho about this war, they certainly should have no apprehension about putting themselves or their children at risk for such a noble and just cause.
 

QC

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Are we playing games or fighting a war?
 

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Personally,I would like there to be a draft.
I do believe that serving this country is the duty of every citizen who enjoys its freedom.It is not right that the less fortunate should go out and fight and sometimes die,while the elites harvest the fruits of the soldier's labor.
 

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rolmops said:
Personally,I would like there to be a draft.
I do believe that serving this country is the duty of every citizen who enjoys its freedom.It is not right that the less fortunate should go out and fight and sometimes die,while the elites harvest the fruits of the soldier's labor.

Besides that, the elites may just think twice about starting a war if they were the one's who actually had to fight it.
 

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I actually tend to agree with you rolmops, but there is a big difference between 100% conscription and a draft . . .

I struggle with calling a volunteer armed service unfair, although I do understand your point. It seems to be a moot point though when it is voluntary service even if you are able to show that the country is not equally represented.

PW, your cynicism gets really old. Do you ever think that people take these decisions seriously despite your belief that everything is decided by economics? The great lie of the left . . .
 

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PW2 said:
Besides that, the elites may just think twice about starting a war if they were the one's who actually had to fight it.

Precisely the point Rangel was trying to make by the introduction of a bill he knew had no chance of passing.
 

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QC said:
Are we playing games or fighting a war?

Straight to the heart of the matter as usual, QC - the first paragraph answers that question.

"'There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way,' said Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y."

How can a person who says stuff like that (I mean, says it publically, expecting to be taken seriously) seriously expect to be a leader? What's he saying, that he wants a draft to punish the republicans? Does he think republican voters don't volunteer for service?
 
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