re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

[coolbikeguy]

ok guys ... i need to completely re-rivet the top skin on my gunwales. the problem is ... 1/8 inch rivets are to loose .... i did some today as a temporary thing and most of them came right out of the the gunwale.... sooooooo do i re-drill all those holes to accept the next size bigger ( 3/16 ) rivets or should i use the 1/8" rivets with backing washers ?? seems like even if i use the backing washers that there still could be movement as the shank of the rivet will still be loose in the original holes that are worn .... the 3/16 rivets look so HUGE compared to the 1/8" opinions guys ?? scott

lowes has packs of 50 of the 3/16 x 1/4 grip range for around 5.50 a pack


maybe id be better going to fastenall tomorrow

 

[coolbikeguy]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

if i go 3/16 ..... here what im looking at from fastenall ...... $45.35 for 500 ...... i dont think i need 500 ..... do i ???


Diameter: 3/16"
Head: Button
Head Diameter: 0.375"
Length: 0.450"
Specification: ASME B18.1.1
Type: Blind Rivet
Drill Size: #11
Head Height: 0.060"
Hole Size: 0.192" - 0.196"
Grip Range: 0.126" - 0.250"
Material - Body/Mandrel: Aluminum/Aluminum
Tensile Strength: 515 lb
Series: AB6-4A
Certified Vending: Yes
Product Weight: 1.5 lbs.
Notes: Aluminum Rivet Aluminum Mandrel IFI Grade 11

 

[rheagler]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

McMaster-Carr has them in boxes of 100 for $7.88. I never had stuff from them shipped because I am close enough to pick up, but the cost might be worth it.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-rivets/=itk8w4
oops... make that box of 250 for $15 & change...

 

[jasoutside]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

Yah, go 3/16" and you absolutely must get this:

http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/riveters/3-16-inch-air-hydraulic-riveter-93458.html

MUST!!!!

 

[coolbikeguy]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

come on jas ....... the hands and forearms could use a workout .......

 

[North Beach]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

We don't need no steenking air riveter.....

 

[GA_Boater]

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come on jas ....... the hands and forearms could use a workout .......

As Popeye says "Eat your spinach" LOL

 

[astor]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

I'm with Jas on this one.
How many of you used manual screw drivers to disassemble your boats?, I used my screwdrivers as chisels, pry bars and to open paint cans, but used my cordless drills to remove screws.

I don't have one of them fancy pneumatic riveters yet, but I do have a lot of riveting coming up and may have to invest in one. I think I do DIY projects to justify new tool purchases. It may be an addiction.

 

[HarryO60]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

As Popeye says "Eat your spinach" LOL

Air powered riveters clinch their rivets tighter than hand riveters. Setting 50 or so rivets by hand and you'll have sore forearms and fingers for two days which tends to slow down or stop progress on said tin boat restoration...rant over...

 

[jasoutside]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

Oh man, I thought the same thing. On my Jet Star project, I did the exact same job, punched boxes and boxes of rivets by hand. Wore out 3 or 4 hand riveters too.

I just recently grabbed that air riveter - smokes what a difference!

It would have taken me a fraction of the time to do the same job.

I warned ya!

 

[djpeters]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

Air powered riveters clinch their rivets tighter than hand riveters. Setting 50 or so rivets by hand and you'll have sore forearms and fingers for two days which tends to slow down or stop progress on said tin boat restoration...rant over...

I've done 500+ rivets all by hand with the same Stanley hand riveter. I, or my Dad who can fix anything, could not get the HF air riveter to work right on the aluminum shanked rivets.

 

[GA_Boater]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

If you have compressor, yes the air riveter is the way to go. If you don't - Eat more spinach.

 

[coolbikeguy]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

i found some 3/16 x 1/8 range rivets at a local hardware store. would you guys prefer the 1/8 or 1/4" range length for the rivets ?? iver tried both .... 3 strokes of the hand riveter for the 1/4 .... and 2 strokes for the 1/8"

 

[djpeters]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

Are you guys using aluminum shanked pop rivets,, or aluminum pop rivets with steel shanks???

 

[jasoutside]

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I have always used all alum rivets. I have enjoyed my air riveter tons, awesome tool!

Well, so far. It is from HF anyway

 

[rheagler]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

i found some 3/16 x 1/8 range rivets at a local hardware store. would you guys prefer the 1/8 or 1/4" range length for the rivets ?? iver tried both .... 3 strokes of the hand riveter for the 1/4 .... and 2 strokes for the 1/8"

It's best to match the range length for the thickness of the 2 materials you are fastening, for the gunwale skin though I would guess the 1/4"...... Have fun!

 

[djpeters]

Re: re-riveting gunwale top skin ???

I have always used all alum rivets.

So have I. I must have gotten one of the really crappy HF riveters then. I though maybe the difference was the shank material. Oh well, the majority of my riveting is done.