Rebuild seat or purchase new?

BrewcityVTX

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I have an 89 Wellcraft 190 Classic. Vinyl is fantastic throughout. Had my drivers side lounge seat fall apart on my last week. After kneeling on the seat and sitting on the seat-back, the wood finally got weak enough and the hinge broke apart. Hardware appears to be in good shape. I'm thinking about just getting new wood and rebuilding but I also like the idea of getting a single seat for the driver and getting rid of the lounge seat and of course I could just get a new replacement lounge seat.

Anyone have experience rebuilding seats? Is it worth the work? Would love your thoughts.
 

Stamey

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Re: Rebuild seat or purchase new?

Certainly depends on what's involved. Here is my example: I have a 1983 Chaparral bow rider with bucket seats for the pilot and passenger. This spring I noticed that the front seat cushion in the bow had rotted wood in it. I decided to fix that, as it was just replacing the wood. About the same time I leaned against the cushion on seat back for the driver's seat and the darn thing came away from the seat frame, as the wood backing crumbled into the bottom of the seat. Another one rotted! :facepalm:
I decided to replace the wood in the seat backs and bottoms in both seats, since all showed various signs of rot and numerous bug colonies were developing in them.

These seats consist of an outside "frame" cushion and a different colored insert cushion, for both the back and bottom, fitted into a vinyl-covered plastic seat frame.
I have learned in this process that this has likely been done before, as whoever did it last time did not use stainless/monel staples and the wood was not treated at all.
I went cheap on the wood and process, but better than the last go-around, since I'll never get my money out of this boat and I can't justify sinking a fortune into it.

My tasks consisted of cutting the 1/2" treated wood by laying the entire seat cushion over it and tracing. I had to do this because the deteriorating wood was going to fall apart when I released it from the vinyl holding it together. Once the wood was cut out, I sealed it with deck sealer. I figure the treated wood will deter the bugs, and the deck sealer will deter the bugs and deter the water. OK in this case because the cushion backs do not see water as often and your floor or stringers will, I am now in the process of wrapping the cushions in HD plastic trash bags to keep moisture out of them, should it make it through the vinyl/seams, and reassembling the cushions with the new wood and monel staples.
This is about 2 days worth of work, I'm guessing, for 9 cushions, spread out over when I have time to work on it. I already had the treated plywood, but the monel staples cost 20 bucks and the deck sealer cost ~100.00 bucks.

If I were planning on keeping the boat for a long time, I would look at replacement seats for the buckets, perhaps bolster seats. If you have a custom situation, it could cost as much as 1000.00 to have it rebuilt. I'd get estimates/quotes from people who offer the service before you make the decision, then weigh that number against your time, and how much you like doing this kind of work.

In my case, I'd do the replacement of the seats backs again, given the same situation. I don't think I'd do the vinyl sewing if that was required, but I wanted to do this because it seemed simple enough to do, and since I didn't do the "proper" method of fiberglassing the wood on both sides, to seal it, I saved money and time.

Chris
 

jmorgan87

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Re: Rebuild seat or purchase new?

Take a look at my sig to see the shape of our seats... we are replacing the bench, the front seats in the bow and the cover over the engine. The two bucket seats in middle are usable.

We are doing all but the captain seats our selfs.(the captain buckets are actually ok..so not replacing or repairing).

Everything else is just foam on top of plywood, and wrapped. We've found the marine grade material to cover with, but not sure where to get foam(any suggestions welcome). Some of the foam we can reuse, but some of the foam is destroyed. Having the old seats to use as a template is very useful, and this isn't the first thing my mother has upholstered which is a definite help.

If your setup is pretty straight forward(foam on a board wrapped with vinyl), and are comfortable or willing to learn how.. I'd source the materials, and weigh the cost of that vs paying an upholster to do it for you. I'd imagine it will be a very large difference in price of materials + you doing it, vs paying someone else. Granted, we aren't doing any fancy designs, just a solid color.

to me this is the 'easier' part of working on the boat. We get to do it inside, in A/C... wish I could say the same about the rest of the work being done!
 

Stamey

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Re: Rebuild seat or purchase new?

On foam, you can find it at Jo Ann's Fabrics or Hancock Fabrics, or other fabric store near you. Foam is expensive now, so wait for a 50% off sale, which they seem to have regularly, at least the two stores I mentioned do. The stuff I used when I built the seat for my Dad's boat came in plastic bags. I wouldn't have even opened the bags except I had to trim the foam down to the seat size. Once it was trimmed I put it back in the bags and taped it like a Christmas present to keep water out of the foam, then I stacked 4" of it and wrapped the vinyl over it. I bought two 2" pieces and stacked them because it was cheaper than buying one 4" piece. With 4" my butt can't feel the board underneath, so I figure that's the minimum thickness of the foam.
Now that the vinyl is wrapped around it, you can't tell the plastic is on the foam, and you can only faintly tell there are two pieces of foam stacked, if you look for it. If I was doing it again I'd duct tape the "seam" between the two pieces of foam so that they would remain evenly positioned under the vinyl.

But I digress, the OP seems to want to replace his wood, not the vinyl, unless I misunderstood.

Chris
 

BrewcityVTX

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Re: Rebuild seat or purchase new?

A very belated thanks for your feedback. I haven't been online in months due to our baby being born in July. I ended up reusing the old hardware and replacing the wood and just rebuilding the seat. It turned out pretty well. Hopefully it will hold up for awhile. Looking forward to warmer weather and getting out on the water again this spring.
 
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