rebuilding and not getting soaked

buddyholly

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i am considering rebuilding my '75 115 crossflow johnson. I haven't pulled motor apart yet but it has low compression and I just want it to be reliable for the river. The motor doesn't make any rattling or other noises, Iam wondering if it is a waste of money just putting new pistons and rings and not doing anything to the crank. I am mech. inclined but I am not sure that I could do this.
 

Paul Moir

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

Two-stroke cranks use roller bearings, so there's usually little or no wear on them even after thousands of hours of operation. If the crank's throws aren't scored, burnt (blued) or pitted, it's good to go for another few thousand hours.
 

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

thanks paul. if i were to tackle this thing my self what book would you recommend? also do these motors use piston sleeves and also can the heads be removed to remove and reinstall piston assemblies or does the reed s and carbs have to betaken off?
 

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I'm not big on V-4s myself, but fortunetly there's lots here who are. I'm sure they'll be along.<br /><br />These blocks have cast iron sleeves cast into them, with plenty of salvage. So all you need to do is rebore and fit larger pistons. In cases of extreme damage, it's possible to bore out the entire sleeve and press in a new one. But that's more expensive of course.<br /><br />The entire outboard engine needs to be disassembled for a rebuild job. Carbs, reeds, flywheel, starter, head, all need to come off, and then you need to split the crankcase in two. Only then will you be looking at the rod bolts.<br /><br />I strongly suggest you locate a machine shop that regularly does outboards. There's some critical details that need to be done that an automotive shop won't know about. Ask them if they relieve the port edges themselves, and undercut the material at the bottom of the cylinder. If they look at you funny, walk away.<br /><br />I wouldn't start the job myself without the factory service manual in hand. You can get one from:<br />kencook.com<br />maxrules.com<br />marineengine.com<br />theoutboardwizard.bizhosting.com<br />(price is pretty much the same)<br />There's a couple on ebay right now (one $20). Search for:<br />(115, 115hp) (evinrude, johnson) manual 1975<br />Its for an Evinrude, but that's the same as the Johnson.<br /><br />You may wish to replace the con-rod bearing needles as a part of your rebuild. If you don't though, when you tear down keep all your bearings in sets along with the rods. Number everything.<br /><br />PS - are you sure it needs to be rebuilt? I wouldn't be certain until I pulled the heads and checked out the cylinders.
 

buddyholly

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

can the head gaskets be reused? the guy i bought the motor from(ebayer) said it had 105psi on each piston. the motor runs good at wot if you look at my last post it talks about the problem i am having with the motor. thanks
 

Paul Moir

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No they cannot. New ones run around $20 each though.<br /><br />Check out the compression for yourself. A cheap tester runs about $25 up here, I'm sure you could get one for less. Heck, borrow one if you have to. If it's got 105psi/cyl, there's likely no reason to rebuild. Even if you got one bad one, it could be a blown head gasket.
 

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pb - First you need to find out if it needs to be rebuilt. I would check the compression myself and not rely on what the seller told you. Remember his interest is to sell you his engine. Post the results here. If you have 105 lbs +/- 10% across the cylinders there is no reason for a rebuild and 105 lbs is not low.
 

buddyholly

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

thanks guys i will check comp. tommorrow and let you know the results. if it is low i am planning on pulling the head off and getting a better look. is there a visual sign to tell if like the rings are stuck or broken?
 

buddyholly

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I checked the compression this morning. I removed all the plugs then screwed the tester in . thye motor is on a pontoon boat and I am doing this alone so I hope that I did it correctly. I cranked the motor over abouttwo to three seconds for each piston and found that there was between 120 to 125 psi of compession on each. I am correct in how I did this areen't I? the boat is in a slip at the marina so I would rather not pull the boat out if not needed. like I said before I am mech. inclined but I am not electricly. all that I know is there is spark to all plugs. also note that the bottom plug #4 was kinda burnt looking on the electrode the rest were all wet and oily. also the plug brand is ngk.
 

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Your compression is just fine. You don't need to overhaul the engine at all. If you're having some kind of problem with it, it lies outside of the internal engine parts.<br /><br />Don't fix what's not broken.
 

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Get yourself some Champion plugs also. NGK"S are not made for these motors. Your not gonna get much better compression than 120/125, I would just run it.
 

buddyholly

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

is it possible for a reed valve to stick and if so what are the symptoms?
 

Basscat 1

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Usally a reed valve will pop back through the carbs. Engine may not run or idle.
 

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OK, I went back and looked at your other thread. It seems that your main complaint is that the outboard idles poorly, but runs OK at midrange and wide open.<br /><br />Your compression is fine. Your spark is probably fine, too, since it runs OK at WOT.<br /><br />Start thinking carburetor problems. Take 'em off, clean 'em, put in kits. <br /><br />Get Champion plugs.<br /><br />Cheap fix.
 

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Oh, yeah. It's always better to continue with an existing thread than to start a new one. When you post a new message, the thread jumps to the top of the board, so people who have been helping you will see it and check things out.<br /><br />Otherwise, a guy's gotta search for your earlier thread to see what you're talking about.
 

buddyholly

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

sorry about that. just was getting frustrated with my problem. thank you to everyone who is helping me along with my motor problems. pulling boat out of the water tommorrow and taking carbs off to see if there is any plugged jets or orifaces. and install kits in them. what plug number are the champions 1975 115 johnson crossflow
 

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Champion L77J4's, or QL77J4's (suppressor for electronics) <br /><br />I bought a couple at NAPA yesterday, and I think they're L77JC4's now. <br /><br />Do a decarb on it while you're fooling with it. Go to the FAQ's and take notes. Make sure you blow out the passages of carbs with compressed air also to insure you got everything covered internally that you can't see.
 

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also while the carbs are off test the recirc valves. if they are clogged or blown out it can cause idle problems as well. I am fairly sure the 75 models used them. they are the tiny brass pieces with small hoses just behind the carbs.
 

buddyholly

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rodbolt do the recirc valves come in a rebuild kit or must they be purchased alone?
 

buddyholly

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Re: rebuilding and not getting soaked

i just got the carb kits put in. boy there aren't much to them, just float valve and a bunch of gaskets. anyways i pulled carbs apart and sprayed and cleaned everything. actually the carbs looked really clean but retter to be safe than sorry. i also replaced the ngk plugs with the champions. fired it up on the muffs and it sounds like a different motor. sounds strong now. the only thing that i had to clean onthe carbs were the idle jets but they may have gotten something in them from removing them. if it was plugged before could that be the reason it was missing? the only other thing could have been the spark plugs. I just want to thank everyone who helped out and saved me a ton of money that would have otherwise gone to the marine shop.
 
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