Redistribution-Revisited.

[DJ]

A little lesson. This will wake up a few "collectivists" but will go ignored by the rest.

This is what "neocoms" are about.


A young woman was about to finish her first year of college.

Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal. Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth.

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to
keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs.

The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.

He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult
course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she
spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is you friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to yourfriend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA, and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades!
I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She plays while I work my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said :

"Welcome to the Republican Party"

 

[KaGee]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Maybe one will be converted, but I doubt it DJ.

Just wait until all the loyal Union Democrats get wind of the new plan to tax their health care benefits, in order to give me a tax break for the insurance I have to buy on my own. Only fair right??

 

[DJ]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

As a "father" that is paying for higher education, for my sons, I have an open (note:-not right) to express my beliefs.

I have chosen a very expensive private school. Can I afford it-who knows? I am, however, on the hook, for that education . I will gladly pay the bill, as I have.
and it is on me.

I can rest assured that my sons deal with real world scenarios and not "Pie in the sky' thinking, from the "benovelant" government/government funded schools..

ASU is a perfect example. 400% increase in tuition in 10 years-for what? The presidents income,at last calculation, is $1.3 M/year. For what?

As stated, I choose to send my offspring into a future where they actually know something as to a future where they BS they're way through.

 

[DJ]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

KaGee,

Just wait until all the loyal Union Democrats get wind of the new plan to tax their health care benefits, in order to give me a tax break for the insurance I have to buy on my own. Only fair right??

Pay as you will and are destined to. When "socialized" health care arrives, you'll get half what you are used to at twice the price-what a deal-don't you think?

If you think that you get a break, think-NOT!

 

[Pony]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Man I am getting ripped off. I didnt know that taxing the rich at a higher level would be ike giving me money. This example is ridiculous. It would more true to say that the girl with the 2.0 gets taxed .5, since if they taxed her more, survival in college would be difficult. Then to get more gpa return, tax the 4.0 student 1 gpa point. makeing them 1.5 and 3.0 respectively. NOT 3.0 each. This seems fair since all 4.0 students would be taxed the same way and a 3.0 would stil have all its advantages, while still being well above the 1.5 from the under performer who doesnt deserve the increase. At least thats how I see it........

The solution you have noted is communism NOT Democratic. Perhaps this is why you neocons keep confusing the two? 8)

You guys want to talk union health bennies?? How much of a break does $800 for a family of 4 per month for the MINIMUM amount of coverage sound? Cuz thats what it is.................

BTW, this is coming from an independant, Not a liberal or conservative.

 

[Bass Man Bruce]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Yeah, if you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.:%:%

 

[DJ]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

the girl with the 2.0 gets taxed .5, since if they taxed her more, survival in college would be difficult. Then to get more gpa return, tax the 4.0 student 1 gpa point. makeing them 1.5 and 3.0 respectively. NOT 3.0 each. This seems fair since all 4.0 students would be taxed the same way and a 3.0 would stil have all its advantages, while still being well above the 1.5 from the under performer who doesnt deserve the increase. At least thats how I see it........

Fuzzy! That's the way I see it.

I guess the answer is to keep everyone confused and stupid.

We're almost there!

Hillary in '08". Yea-woo-hoo!

 

[Pony]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

I guess the answer is to keep everyone confused and stupid.

We're almost there!

Probably right.........


I don't agree with redistributing wealth at all. It is against the American Dream of climbing the economic ladder. People work to get what they have and it shouldnt just be given away.

 

[DJ]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

I don't agree with redistributing wealth at all. It is against the American Dream of climbing the economic ladder. People work to get what they have and it shouldnt just be given away.

Pony,

Pardon the mistakes, I'm trying to cough up my tongue, after reading that.

 

[Pony]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

I am just drawing a distinction between taxing, and redistrubuting weath. They aren't the same.

I personally think our system of taxation needs to be looked at, but redistributing weath is a completely seperate issue. Taxing the rich more isnt making the poor any more rich. Its simply decreasing the gap between the two, which historically when large enough will destroy the nation...............you need not look any further than the Roman Repuplic.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

The Conservative mantra:
Hooray for me & @#$% everybody else &
How will it affect my wallet?.........JK

 

[DJ]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

I personally think our system of taxation needs to be looked at, but redistributing weath is a completely seperate issue. Taxing the rich more isnt making the poor any more rich. Its simply decreasing the gap between the two, which historically when large enough will destroy the nation...............you need not look any further than the Roman Repuplic.

Pony,

I don't know what to say. I guess no words are the best.

The Conservative mantra:
Hooray for me & @#$% everybody else &
How will it affect my wallet?.........JK

Haut,

Keep dreaming and drinking the kool aid. You could not be farther from reality. No one will ever convince you. Enjoy your life as a perpetual nay sayer and be, self imposed, perpetually unhappy.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Man I am getting ripped off. I didnt know that taxing the rich at a higher level would be ike giving me money. This example is ridiculous. It would more true to say that the girl with the 2.0 gets taxed .5, since if they taxed her more, survival in college would be difficult. Then to get more gpa return, tax the 4.0 student 1 gpa point. makeing them 1.5 and 3.0 respectively. NOT 3.0 each. This seems fair since all 4.0 students would be taxed the same way and a 3.0 would stil have all its advantages, while still being well above the 1.5 from the under performer who doesnt deserve the increase. At least thats how I see it........

The solution you have noted is communism NOT Democratic. Perhaps this is why you neocons keep confusing the two? 8)

You guys want to talk union health bennies?? How much of a break does $800 for a family of 4 per month for the MINIMUM amount of coverage sound? Cuz thats what it is.................

BTW, this is coming from an independant, Not a liberal or conservative.

I have no idea who you are labeling "Neocons", but you are obviously very confused as to what 'income redistribution' is. Maybe a li'l projectin' here: Pony? Projectin' your total and complete confusion on others, (maybe Rehubs like Bro Haut says)? Bill n' Hill do that an' ya never even know it, but you have to state the point clearly, and then blame others for what you said, (hint: the point has to also be both cogent and logical). JR

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.


Quote:
The Conservative mantra:
Hooray for me & @#$% everybody else &
How will it affect my wallet?.........JK

Haut,

Keep dreaming and drinking the kool aid. You could not be farther from reality. No one will ever convince you. Enjoy your life as a perpetual nay sayer and be, self imposed, perpetually unhappy

I fail to see how health care for everyone makes me a "kool aid drinking , naysayer.....

However, the mantra posted above most definately applies to you......

Think about ....
Never mind I'll put that in my own thread....

 

[treedancer]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Quote DWJ

As a "father" that is paying for higher education, for my sons, I have an open (note:-not right) to express my beliefs.

Better hope that we can get some of this paid down [The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.50 billion per day since September 29, 2006!] before they have to pay for there children’s education. Might be a start if we can get a handle on the tax situation first.

http://www.fairtax.org/

Got to get the health care taken care of, it is costing us money by having the Poorest going to the emergency rooms for their Doctors visits. Is there anybody here thinking that is very efficient?
Must be a better solution than that. Current estimates put US health care spending at approximately 15% of GDP, which is the highest in the world. The overall performance of the United States health care system was ranked 37th by the World Health Organization, were right ahead of Slovenia.
Here,s the link check it out for yourself.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Quote DWJ

As a "father" that is paying for higher education, for my sons, I have an open (note:-not right) to express my beliefs.

Better hope that we can get some of this paid down [The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.50 billion per day since September 29, 2006!] before they have to pay for there children’s education. Might be a start if we can get a handle on the tax situation first.

http://www.fairtax.org/

Got to get the health care taken care of, it is costing us money by having the Poorest going to the emergency rooms for their Doctors visits. Is there anybody here thinking that is very efficient?
Must be a better solution than that. Current estimates put US health care spending at approximately 15% of GDP, which is the highest in the world. The overall performance of the United States health care system was ranked 37th by the World Health Organization, were right ahead of Slovenia.
Here,s the link check it out for yourself.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Yes Tree, most Libs, (domestic or foreign) tend to dislike America and will rank us low in some areas to ackomplish their PC adjenda. They know the left leaning MSM will play the issue up for them, and try to get Americans to pay more taxes for a socialization of the medical system. The question you need to ask: where do the wealthy go to get their health care, (assuming they are informed)? These same type of rankings can be used to analyze the performance of the Libs monopoly of our education system. Yet the MSM does not see any problem of $ vs academic performance as it does not serve their adjenda Global warming is another area we could discuss here. Respectfully JR

 

[treedancer]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Quote Omerr

Yes Tree, most Libs, (domestic or foreign) tend to dislike America and will rank us low in some areas to ackomplish their PC adjenda. They know the left leaning MSM will play the issue up for them, and try to get Americans to pay more taxes for a socialization of the medical system.


Good point Jr, would like to know where the data came from so I could get a look at it?

Quote Omerr

The question you need to ask: where do the wealthy go to get their health care, (assuming they are informed)? These same type of rankings can be used to analyze the performance of the Libs monopoly of our education system. These same type of rankings can be used to analyze the performance of the Libs monopoly of our education system. Yet the MSM does not see any problem of $ vs academic performance as it does not serve their adjenda Global warming is another area we could discuss here. Respectfully JR


Im sure that the wealthy go any place that they want, they have the best insurance and if the cost goes beyond what the insurance, no problem put it on the card I’ll pay it next month.

I believe the discussion was about how to get the poor, and people that can not afford insurance, away from the inefficient habit of going to the emergency rooms with there ailments, rather than some kind of health care that would cover there ills.

The average emergency room, non emergency, visit in this area is about $150 dollars, the people that visit them are more than likely not insured, so the cost is spread around to the Insured if the hospitable can. Plus the people that use emergency room as primary care usually put it off longer than the people that are insured, so they are most likely a whole lot sicker.

Do you want me to reply to that gig about what you perceive to be the monopoly of the education system by the libs? Or is that your way of putting a subliminal message in the post? I’ll just blow off the bit about MSM as propaganda. And the global warming, I believe that there is another post here on that, see ya there.

 

[KaGee]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

KaGee,
Pay as you will and are destined to. When "socialized" health care arrives, you'll get half what you are used to at twice the price-what a deal-don't you think?

If you think that you get a break, think-NOT!

DJ, I am well aware... was being a bit sarcastic.

 

[crunch]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Look at the Canadian system (50% income tax), look at the UK system(50% income tax), then look at where the rich and famous world wide go for health care... they all come here because it's the best...

Now if we could just get rid of our pesky military, we could have socialize medical coverage for the same tax % we have now, and join Canada, and Great Briton in mediocrity.

 

[Pony]

Re: Redistribution-Revisited.

Man I am getting ripped off. I didnt know that taxing the rich at a higher level would be ike giving me money. This example is ridiculous. It would more true to say that the girl with the 2.0 gets taxed .5, since if they taxed her more, survival in college would be difficult. Then to get more gpa return, tax the 4.0 student 1 gpa point. makeing them 1.5 and 3.0 respectively. NOT 3.0 each. This seems fair since all 4.0 students would be taxed the same way and a 3.0 would stil have all its advantages, while still being well above the 1.5 from the under performer who doesnt deserve the increase. At least thats how I see it........

The solution you have noted is communism NOT Democratic. Perhaps this is why you neocons keep confusing the two? 8)

You guys want to talk union health bennies?? How much of a break does $800 for a family of 4 per month for the MINIMUM amount of coverage sound? Cuz thats what it is.................

BTW, this is coming from an independant, Not a liberal or conservative.

I have no idea who you are labeling "Neocons", but you are obviously very confused as to what 'income redistribution' is. Maybe a li'l projectin' here: Pony? Projectin' your total and complete confusion on others, (maybe Rehubs like Bro Haut says)? Bill n' Hill do that an' ya never even know it, but you have to state the point clearly, and then blame others for what you said, (hint: the point has to also be both cogent and logical). JR

The neocons I refer to are the ones on this site who constantly refer to Democrats as Communists and use the terms interchangeably. Is that so hard to understand?

Care to explain income redistribution to me then? because the FORM of it in the original post IS NOT a form that we use in democracy..........In our democracy things will never be equal like it is in the example. That is communist. Sure when the rich are taxed more, programs like welfare get funding and then the poor get some of that. So yes that is income redistribution. I am not dumb, i get that. I just happened to look at the original post a little differently. The example of the GPAs in the real world would suggest that the Democrats want everyone to make the EXACT same income and if they dont they tax appropriately. Thats not the way it works. The guy who makes $500,000 does not give $240,000 to the guy making 20K so they can be equal.................yet that is what this example of GPAs is asking us to believe.

Let me explain myself again, so you can stop reading too much into the words you see to prove some point you feel like making.

income redistribution IN THE WAY THIS EXAMPLE SHOWS (aka the communist form NOT the taxation form we have) is what I disagree with. This is what i have already said, which I thought my other posts alluded to. Didn't think it had to be spelled out word for word.

income redistribution in terms of taxing according to income I do think is good, and i think it needs to be adjusted.

I am not spewing my confussion on others.......I just read more into this example than others. Perhaps I was being too specific.