Reed valves

Soxfan

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Can someone please explain the functions of reed valves in a 2 cycle engine? I have a 1975 Merc 200 (20HP). Where are they located. Are they part of the crankcase. How can I tell if they are good (functioning?)<br />Reason I'm asking is because I don't seem to be getting gas to my combustion chamber. (Plugs are dry as a bone.) I've rebuilt the carb. I pump gas to the carb, turn over the engine, get spark, but nothing fires.<br />Do I need to prime the system somehow, and, if so, how would I do it?<br />Help!
 

Chinewalker

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Re: Reed valves

Hi Soxfan,<br /> No priming necessary, however, if the upper and or lower seals are shot, or if the babbit bearing between the upper and lower crankcase chambers is worn, it may not draw fuel. When you check by feel, you are actually feeling compression in both the cylinders and the crankcase. The reed valves prevent that crankcase compression from escaping back out the carburetor and allow a vacuum in the crankcase to draw fuel in on the upstroke. They're located on the reed block, a piece of aluminum that forms the center main bearing of the motor, located directly behind the carburetor. You can visually inspect them with a dentist's mirror - the little round one he pokes in your mouth. You'll have to pull the carb and have a peek inside. If you see any holes or cracks in the shiny silver pieces in there, then you may have reed problems. I've seen them get gummed up from sitting. A simple test to see is they're freed up is to put your finger in there and GENTLY presson the valves. When you pull the motor over with your hand covering the crankcase opening you should feel a modest suction action. If there is no suction or if it both sucks and blows back out, then you might have a reed problem.<br /> How is compression on your motor? Also, is the alingment bolt that holds the reed block in place present and tight? It's about a 5/8" head with a locking washer folded over the top of it.<br /> Also, check to make sure the upper main bearing cap is not loose - not uncommon for the bolts that hold it down to loosen up over time.<br />- Scott
 

Kenny Bush

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Re: Reed valves

Definately need to run a compression check. If the compression builds up real fast, then the reeds are most likely good. If the reeds are worn(or open), then it will take as much as 5 to 10 seconds to reach max compression. This is about the only way to quick check "Aspiration" without putting a feeler guage on the reed petals. If your pistons rings are shot, it will also be hard to build up compression.....but in each case it is a failure. Shoot a little bit of starting fluid (or gas/oil) into the carb throat, and see if it busts off. Check it and post results.. :D
 

Soxfan

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Re: Reed valves

I forgot to say that I already did a compression check. Compression checks 129 in each cylinder.<br />I'll try a few things this weekend and let you know how things turned out.
 

Kenny Bush

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Re: Reed valves

SoxFan, squirt some gas into to the carb throats and see if it will pop off.
 

kingsbiship

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Re: Reed valves

Has anyone ever tried blowing air into the cyl. with the piston half way down and check for air @ carb ? Broken reed will leak air...<br />make sure air press. is low as not to damage reeds
 

Soxfan

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Re: Reed valves

I was able to get it started. Just turned it over and choked it a few times. Purred like a kitten. Tried it a dozen times or so and I thought I had it.<br />Came back a half hour later and guess what. Wouldn't start. <br />Had to leave for home so it's wait till next weekend.
 

jim dozier

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Re: Reed valves

Sounds like either your rebuild was incomplete such as float valves still sticking or incorrectly adjusted. Or perhaps following your rebuild you need to enrichen the idle mixture (check your manual for which way to turn the screw, some meter air, some meter fuel).
 

Kenny Bush

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Re: Reed valves

Kit the carbs(Or go through them and reclean).....Sounds like a fuel problem to me. Also look at the fuel pump/filter settup(in your manual). Also check the fuel tank vent. Check the bulb for leaks (Air).
 
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