Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

LuvBoating

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We are replacing a pretty bad anodoe under the Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer on our 1992 Celebrity 200 Cuddy Cabin and was wondering if we should also replace the Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer. We don't know how long they last, but each of the fins have a some curve in the fin (wearness perhaps?). It is cheap enough ($35 @ West Marine) to replace if a new one would give better performance than the existing one. Don't know how long the existing one has been on the boat, but it's been on it since we took over ownership in early 2009.
BTW, we have a Trim Tab system.

Thank You for any suggestions! :)
 

MarkSee

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

Yea, that is true that most boats with working trim tabs would not need a fin.

Might want to leave it off for now until you get the boat fully working and using it again and see how it performs with just the trim tabs.

Then maybe just for fun if you're curious, put the fin back on and see what difference you might see.

Mark
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

What Mark ^^ said.
 

LuvBoating

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

Unfortunately, we don't know enough about "performance" type things to know/feel the difference while underway. And, btw, there are four holes that were drilled into the cavitation plate for the Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer to fit on there. I'd have to figure out some way to cover those holes. If we put the Doel-fins back on, or bought new ones to put on, it wouldn't hurt anything.......right? I mean, the Doel-fins were installed on there for some reason in the first place AND trim tabs most likely came with the boat when it was new.
Just wondering.
 
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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

Unfortunately, we don't know enough about "performance" type things to know/feel the difference while underway. And, btw, there are four holes that were drilled into the cavitation plate for the Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer to fit on there. I'd have to figure out some way to cover those holes. If we put the Doel-fins back on, or bought new ones to put on, it wouldn't hurt anything.......right? I mean, the Doel-fins were installed on there for some reason in the first place AND trim tabs most likely came with the boat when it was new.
Just wondering.

Some things to consider -
Why did a previous owner feel it necessary to add the hydrofoil. They are most effective on smaller boats. I don't see it being of much help on a 20' Cuddy.
The hydrofoil puts stress on the lower drive cavitation plate, and on the transom.
If the trim tabs are helm controlled, then a hydrofoil will give you a slightly higher top speed when the tabs are raised.
It won't harm anything to have both, except for the stress and increased drag if the tabs are left down at cruise or higher speeds.
Having both will get the boat on plane faster, and hold it there at lower speeds.
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

Don't know the name, but the Trim buttons (up/down) are on the throttle handle and a guage on the dash.

What type of trim tab system do you have?
 

LuvBoating

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

I was just told by a close friend, who has had the stabilizer on his 20 foot cuddy for years, to put it back on. He also has a trim system on his boat.
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

The four holes in the anti-ventilation plate are only 1/4 inch diameter. You don't need to do anything with them--there will be no danger. If, however, they bother you aesthetically, just clean well and fill with JB quick or another good epoxy, then spray with the outdrive color.

You need not know anything about "performance" to gauge if the hydrofoil is improving or decreasing performance. Since you will have it off anyway, try the boat without it then replace and compare. Check acceleration at full throttle from a stop (hole shot,) feel if there is a difference in turning, and see if top speed increases or decreases with and without it.

You need not buy a new one. Unless it is badly damaged it should last the life of the boat. Some brands of hydrofoils do come with a curve built into them so that is not necessarily a reason to replace it.

Hydrofoils are like religion: People are either fanatically for them or dead set against them, and don't confuse them with the facts! Again, try the boat with and without. If you feel you simply would not be able to tell any difference, bring an experienced boater with you. Ask someone at the ramp to help tell.
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

OK, I understand now that you, in fact, do not have trim tabs on your boat. What you're referring to ( as trim system ) is simply the power trim on the drive. Is that correct?

In that case you should leave the Doel Fin(s) on there. They will help the boat to plane off faster, especially since it's a Cuddy type of boat.
 
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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

OK - now that it's been established there are no trim tabs - the discussion can begin as to whether or not it would be better to install Smart Tabs :D
My understanding of Hydrofoils is that they become only marginally effective on heavier boats in the 18 to 20' plus range.
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

Some people can't tell the difference between AM radio and FM Stereo. No need to change out the AM radio in those cases. Same with the Hyrofoil (AM radio) and Trim Tabs (CD 4 channel with subwoofer). If you do not know what to "feel" for and have no performance issues you know of (or would not know of) then why even worry about it.
 

LuvBoating

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

Thanks for all the info! We are going to put the stabilizer back on.
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

And just a tangent thought:

If your cuddy has a swim platform, and you entertain swimmers, someday, someone is gonna use that stabilizer as a step and break off one side of your ventilation plate.

We tried a stabilizer on our V-20 and were not impressed. Filled the holes with JBWeld and installed Smartabs.....have't looked back; only to see a smoother wake and slower planing speeds!
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

our 1992 Celebrity 200 Cuddy Cabin


A buddy of mine has the very same boat as yours. Based on my experience driving the boat, it needs SOMETHING really badly to make it perform at all. He put on a Doelfin and it works well.

But, as others have said, do your own test and be your own judge.
 

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Re: Replace Doel-fin Hydrofoil Stabilizer?

There needs to be a sticky on foils and tabs indicating what each will and won't do.

The two are NOT designed to do the same thing, at least not in the same way, although the marketing makes you think they may. There is some overlap in the results though.

Tabs become a tunable (in some cases) extension of the hull, depending on how they are adjusted they can help get on plane faster, allow you to plane at a lower speed, stop porpoising, improve ride at speed, improve rough water ride, level the hull on plane, plus other things. They do this by pushing down on the water behind the transom where they can get better leverage.

A foil does one thing when used correctly, it allows you to raise the motor higher than you could without it by preventing the prop from sucking air?..that?s it. People often say they are of no value, because if they were they would come stock on motors?..well they do come stock, virtually every motor comes with an anti ventilation plate, the foil is just an extension of the stock one, similar to the tabs being an extension of the hull.

The term foil is also misleading, the foil shape has little to do with how it works, a flat sheet of aluminum will do the same thing (just like the stock AV plate).

To be used correctly a foil should not be dragging in the water at speed, this is where all the negative comments and results come from. With the foil dragging in the water on plane it may lower the top speed, cause odd cornering, and on some hulls create a scary situation. On an outboard you can raise the motor and possibly improve performance with a foil. By raising the motor the motor has less leverage on the hull so it reduces bow rise, being higher the drag from the lower unit is also reduced, this may increase top speed plus increase mileage. The reduced leverage on the hull can also reduce poroising at speed. These improvements aren?t guaranteed, they are only possibilities if you do the work of raising and lowering the motor to fine tune it, in the end you may also need to change the prop for best results.

On an I/O you can?t raise the motor, so there is a good chance you will experience one or more of the negative issues I talked about earlier when the foil drags in the water. So if you like it fine, if it does funning things and you don?t like it, don?t use it. It may also be a trade off of good and bad.

On an outboard a foil may not be the best way to achieve these results, and it may not help at all, it is very dependent on the exact hull, motor, prop, loading of the boat and how it is used. Tabs can typically make improvements on just about any hull, some hulls may need them to perform well at all, and others may do quite well without them, but still improvements may be seen with them.


Now back to the OP?s question. Leave it off and try it, some aspects of the performance may improve and some may decrease, you decide if it works for your situation or not. Tabs will probably make noticeable improvements in several areas with no negative effects.
 
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