Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

m48strat

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Last year I purchased an 88" Capri cuddy. While the boat is in pretty good shape, and runs great, the interior is strating to show signs of age.( craked and faded) I would like to start by replacing the lounge seats and carpet.I figured it would be cheaper to purchase manufatured seats rather than having them reupholstered, but all the seats I've found come with bases. I'm told the bases on Bayliners are filled with foam, and designed for flotation, and should not br altered. Does anyone know of any manufatured seats that don't come with bases, that I could just mount to my bases?
 

MSmith3615

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

Well I had an 1987 Capri Cuddy and completely redid the interior the problem I had were that my seats were glassed and in I had to cut them out.I replaced them with Wise seats. It turned out great, and it did not sink.
 

jlinder

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

Have you thought about recovering the seats yourself? I started armed with a whole bunch of ignorance driven by the cost and found out it was easy and fairly inexpensive.<br /><br />If you can pull the seat cushions out (unscrew), and have a sewing machine (any sewing machine) it is not hard. Just get marine vinyl and thread.<br /><br />The most expensive part is the foam, and I found I could reuse most of it.<br /><br />If you are interested let us know. There are a lot of posts here that will steer you towards vendors of the vinyl and thread, and tips for doing it.
 

Realgun

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

Believe me the amount of foam under the seats is minimal. It might be 1 cubic foot for each seat.<br /><br />I took out both lounge seats and was going to do two new seats but decided to do pedastals instead.<br /><br />Believe me there is 20 cubic feet of foam in the boat if they built it like they did mine. there is foam under the floor outboard of the stringer and big areas under the rear seats and under my consoles. I bet you will find there is a bunch under or near your cabin area.<br /><br />Personally 16 cubic ft will float the boat and motor but I think Bayliner was a bit worried about a boat being sunk.
 

2MADAKAT

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

I have a 1984 19.5' Bayliner Capri that I converted to a fishing boat last year. Took the fold-down seats out and threw them away. Put swivel pedastel seats in and made the boat a whole lot roomier. Plus being swivel, allows passengers to face forward or back.
 

monkeyboi

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

if you are interested you could always use 2-part foam and refill the bases yourself. try u.s. composites 2lb foam
 

massimofinance

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

I have a 1984 Capri -bowrider- and had to redo a seat on the cheap. I went to the Rag Shop, bought 2" foam and a piece of 36 x 54" vinyl (not Marine grade) for $18. I replaced my passenger back to back seat, because it blew out, with one long, no back, bench style seat. Just trying to get a few more seasons out of the boat.
 

fkalich

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MAHOLLI, 2MADACAT:<br /><br />Hope you guys are still watching here. I am assuming the lounge seats are not needed for structural integrity. They are glassed in as MAHOLLI said, not sure how I am going to cut them out. They seem to be attached to plywood flooring, and then the hull side, correct? I have an 87 bayliner capri.<br /><br />I am new to boating, winter project, bought Capri, winterized. and going to replace deck. I believe the stringers are solid (learned a new word). Floor was not that bad, just soft in center where the skis go, and bow center aisle. I am thinking I could just replace that aisle, and not directly under left and right windshield. I would just put in a few supports, The wood in the left and right front from winsheled forward seems fine, and I realy can avoid taking out those things. I will just put in a support instead in the center sub floor just to be obsessive. However from there back, all the floor will be replaced.<br /><br />A couple cross sections in that center hole were rotted, specifically the one in front of the gas tank, and at bow. That I how I could get to the stringers without ripping the whole floor off. Stringers were solid there, rot had not reached them, and those really seem the only vulnerable spots. I probably will put some CPES (the rotdoctor stuff looks good to me, not sure I will go with them or one of the others though). In the bulkhead things look real solid, no indication of any softness. Oh the engine is probably pretty go, rebuilt a few years ago. Ok, I know I am nuts to do this, but I am going to replace that floor, and have ripped out parts of it already.<br /><br />However getting into a bit mysterious territory regarding the seats. Can you give me some advice on removing the lounge seats? The boat will just be for me and the dog, so probably will not want lounge chairs (although not positive). I have obsessively research, I know where the fiber covered stringers are (and they are probably solid all through), and then that floation soft stuff between deck and bottom, and then the hull becomes the last part of floor at the edge. However the seat platforms scare me a bit. I expect that is epoxyed to the deck wood, and also to the hull on the side. Not sure how to get those out, am not going to proceed until I am sure of what I am dealing with here, don't want to damage the hull.<br /><br />Oh, I know to get all the gas out of the tank before I go further. Not worth going up in flames over it. Also will leave the cap off I think while I am working so no pressure (there will still be a little gas I am sure).<br /><br />Is there anything to be concerned of with the floor over the gas tank. It just seems to lay on top, well actually it is not directly on top, there is a big of space, but I don't see any real support structure of the floor over the gas tank. It just lays a bit above it, supported by the side stringers (covered with fiberglass).<br /><br />Thanks, any advice on removing the seat appreciated. Again, I don't expect to reuse them, and if it makes it a lot easier, well I can destroy them to get them out. <br /><br />I don't need so many seats,want space, and won't ski (fishing and boating with the dog, sleeping on the water, that stuff). I was thinking one seat, and one I can take out to the left (for teh dog). I would like to be able to put a cot to the left, probably will come up with an exetension to the convertible roof also for sleeping, and rain. It will be customized as I say, but I want to make sure the stock seat frames are not needed for structure. Also if I can have some advice to make sure I don't do some damage taking them out. I figure I could start cutting from top, and carefully go at it, but some advice would be helpful on how you did it.
 

Friz

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

I'm kinda in the same "boat" that you are. I have an 86 2150 Capri Cuddy with rotten interior. I plan to remove everything and put a pedestal helm seat in and a long lounge for the Admiral and 1st mate. The dog can ride on the engine cover (doghouse).<br />I'll probably start on mine soon after Christmas and will post pics. If you do the same, we can probably learn a lot from each other.<br />Dan
 

fkalich

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Friz:<br />I found this project site that is a god send for anyone restoring an old bayliner:<br /><br /> http://www.shareaproject.com/projectTut.php?p=8 <br /><br />Even describes the pedestal seating. Pictures are great, now I know what is below my floor, exactly what I am dealing with<br /><br />I am only going to replace the 8 feet in back of the windshields section. You have the 4 foot section a few inches in front of to a few inches in back of the bilge opening. And then 4 feet to the rear. You can see that the factory used 3 pieces of 4' plywood, one for the front, one for the center bilge section, and one for the rear.<br /><br />My front is solid enough (and free of rot). I have a long split in the top layer of plywood runs between the bow seats, but I read on how to reinforce that (rot doctor).<br /><br />Here is the link to q&a for their site, good stuff.<br /><br /> http://www.rotdoctor.com/L/BoatL/Bqa.html <br /><br />To replace the front would make the job almost twice as hard, with little benefit since no rot of there. I can just do some reinforcing on the middle box piece, and save myself a lot of grief.<br /><br />I am pretty confident my stringers are fine. You know that cross support in the bilge, mine was rotted, his was, I expect yours is. I dug mine out, and could feel the stringers there, and also at the support about 6 inches in front of the bilge opening (also rotted). The wood felt solid on the stringer, and I am pretty sure that as they are solid there, they are fine, as that would be the place where I would see rot first. The guy who did the project had good stringers, and his boat was really a piece of work.<br /><br />If I am surprised and find rotted stringers, I will use this stuff. Expensive, but worth it I think. Still I don't expect to see rot.<br /><br /> http://www.transomrepair.com/stringers/stringers.html <br /><br />I will just put the rot doctor cpes on any exposed wood, both the stringer where exposed, and the new supports, and new floor.<br /><br />I will use a reciprocating saw to cut out the seats, you know, making sure I leave an inch or so between the fiberglass and where I cut. The thing to do is make sure you don't ever hit hull. That would be a pain. The project page makes it clear where everything is, so just go slow, and make sure you don't be cutting withing a few inches of anything you don't want to. And then finish it off with the angle grinder.<br /><br />I am glad I did not decide to pay some guy $1,500 to do the job. That is the typical ballpark price. I assure you, anyone doing it for $1,500 will do a mediocre job that won't last long. No way anyone does a good job for $1,500, impossible. Better to just do these jobs yourself and do it right.<br /><br />One thing, I am going to wear the protective stuff from now on, the fiberglass really does a number on exposed skin. Of course goggles. Also will wear my respirator. I have one that cost maybe $30 at home depot, even would stop asbestos. I think we are safe from that in an 1986 boat, but you should not breath fiberglass either.<br /><br />I will keep posted on this link. Also I am a programmer/software engineer, so I will put up the project history on one of my servers at some point, probably pretty early on.<br /><br />I am not sure how much more I can add to what that guy did on his project, but I am sure I will have some original things to say.
 

ljshein

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

All,<br /><br />Common problem on these boats, I have an 84 Capri bow rider. <br /><br />The best estimate I got was from a guy that wanted me to buy new lounges from Overtons and he would do the jump seats and the bow cushions for another $500. Oh, and that was if I took everything apart and he only had to do the sewing.<br /><br />Then I managed to find someone near my office in Alpharetta, GA that recovered ALL the seats, re-used the foam and replaced a couple of rotted boards for $500. All I had to do was remove the seats from the boat and re-install them.<br /><br />If someone in my family was more comfortable with a sewing machine, I probably would have done the whole thing at home. <br /><br />The seats turned out great and I would recommend this guy to anyone!<br /><br />Jeff
 

fkalich

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Well, I guess I had better keep my seats and sell them sometime, was going to give them to the cats. I am only going to install (probably) one swivel pedestal after I put in my new floor. Between me and the dog, that is sufficient. I don't want to put in one on the left, because that leaves me about 8 feet for a cot without smushing it in.<br /><br />BTW, I learned this trick from rotdoctor.com. I have ripped out about half my floor now, and with this trick, it is really not so big a deal to replace the floors :) . You leave a 2-4 inch rim of wood around the hull, that is as far as you go. Use their CPES product on the wood (both old and new), and what I thought was going to be a winter project, will only be a november project.<br /><br />I have cut out about half the floor, in an afternoon because I went at it real careful (even though I know what is below, well I am a cautious citizen, I tend to cut things in three or four pieces rather than one, to make sure I don't go too far and cause myself grief. It would stink to put a hole though the hull, I will take the extra 3 or 4 hours of careful poking and prodding to avoid that. On my boat, that entire rim (that I will reuse) is solid, except for the right side at the bow where it is a little weak because the top layer of plywood split there (CPES will restore that to original strengh). On the left of the hull and elsewhere the 4 inch shelf of old wood that I am retainng is rock solid, this will work fine for support (although I will still give it a coat of CPES). I found a little water in the gutters next to the stringers :eek: , but not very much :) , and it appears that the fiberglass coating on the stingers has keep them away from water, I see no evidence of stringer rot :) :) .<br /><br />Since my floor will be elevated by 5/8 of an inch (cheap *** bayliner apparantly thought the extra $20 for 3/4 ply was a luxury) :rolleyes: , I will have to put a spacer between the stringers and the new floor. I am planning on just cutting a 3 or 4 inch wood the length of the stringers, and laminating that to the underside of the floor over the stringers. I won't attached it to the stringers themselves. Bayliner did not, in fact the only place the floor is attached is the hull. I am sure they had a reason, so I will follow their lead.<br /><br />I am sold on the CPES :cool: , you don't need marine ply if you use that, and you would use it on marine ply anyway. They have run tests on wood treated with that, and it holds up for several years even when fully exposed to the elements. Which is longer than ply normally would, which is one rain storm. Marine ply won't hold up like that either, so you save a lot of money just treating exterior grade play with the CPES.<br /><br />The seat pedestal just get sliced off. I have used a reciprocating saw, a circular saw, a jig saw, a drywall cutting tool (with heavyduty cutting bit). I cut half of one seat off (the second will be quicker because I experimented cautiously on the first.) I will get it down to the 4 inch rim (for the new floor) that I mentioned, cut the pedestal down to about a half inch or so (whatever is safe), and then remove the rest with an angle grinder (probably go through several attachments, might use the cutting tool with sanding attachements once I get close to the hull, as I said, I am cautious, and the closer you get to the vulnerable, the less heavy duty you go.)<br /><br />I will keep you informed. I realize that some of this is theoretical, however I have researched this hard, and am convinced this will work nicely.<br /><br />I am thinking about how I can come up with a quickly removable top for the boat, from the winshield back, that I can stand up in. I have some ideas, but that is for later, maybe a february project. I figure industrial strength velcro will play a major part in the design (wonderful stuff). I am thinking of using the snaps that surround the outside of the hull (for the stupid convertible top that is not worth the trouble). I would use some type of flexible plastic strips that would from a U frame over the boat, and also hold strips of the velcro along the sides of the boat. A weatherproof canvas would just ride over that, and rest on the top of the winshield. Between that and using the bow cover, I can keep the boat dry in rain, it becomes a floating tent that I can walk around in. It is still on the drawing board :confused: . Basicaly my idea would be to figure out how to put a tent above the boat. May sound crazy, however I usually can figure out a way. I would expect it to withstand no more than a tent does, it would not be for running in specifically, or maybe only at slow speed. I would be more making the boat a floating tent that can be put up in 5 minutes when I like, or an open convertible most of the time.
 

fseries

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

i had a 86 capri that i re did myself it was a lot cheaper plus i had to rebuild the whole back rest and the top of the back rest because of rot when i took them apart the wood crumbled but any way i dont claim to be an experienced upholsterer but if i can do it you can just get you some good quality material especially if you plan on keeping the boat ..
 

Realgun

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Re: Replacing Boat Seats on Bayliner Capri

Friz:<br />I found this project site that is a god send for anyone restoring an old bayliner:<br /><br /> http://www.shareaproject.com/projectTut.php?p=8 <br /><br />Even describes the pedestal seating. Pictures are great, now I know what is below my floor, exactly what I am dealing with
God told me to. :D <br /><br />That 4 inch rim might work on your boat but I dont like the old wood CPS or not.<br /><br />OMHO CPS is BS. I found a website 1 time where they coated three blocks with- <br />Epoxy- Weighed the same after a week sitting in water<br />Polyester Weighed 30% more than original <br />CPES-weighed 10% more than original<br />All blocks were given 2 coats of the above sealers.<br />And I did not book mark that darn site!!!<br /><br />It would have been easier if the person who stored the boat before I got it had lifted the bow so the water drained. I think they left it bow down as the worst was the front area in mine not he rear. Also the floor is 1/2" and is way stronger than needed. 3/4" just weighs more slowing the boat. 5?8" is a good comprimise.<br /><br />Good luck and have fun.
 
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