Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

Finnerty

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I'm looking at replacing my 1977 vintage 454 with a small block and they require a 3.5" or 4" exhaust depending on the make. Replacing hoses and mufflers is easy enough but this requires that I replace the two existing 3" exhaust ports through the transom with the specified larger ones. Have I got this right or am I missing something?
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

first question - why the step backwards in power?
second question - why not use the 3" risers on the small block. Mercruiser uses 3" or 4"
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

first question - why the step backwards in power?
second question - why not use the 3" risers on the small block. Mercruiser uses 3" or 4"

I want to use my existing V-drive (72C) and the new big blocks won't fit. Small blocks will fit and the Crusader 6.0L specifies a 3.5" exhaust and the Mercruiser 383 stroker specs a 4" exhaust.
Both engines produce more HP as they rev higher, but lower torque due to their smaller displacement.
 

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Going from BB to SB will not need larger thru hull fits, it could be necessary the other way around. Exhaust hoses are 3, 3 1/2 and 4 inch sizes. The one which cannot be hard without a lot of funds is the 3 3/4 elbow hoses which is a Merc only size. These are the size which goes from the exhaust elbows to y-pipe on BB.
 

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I want to use my existing V-drive (72C) and the new big blocks won't fit. Small blocks will fit and the Crusader 6.0L specifies a 3.5" exhaust and the Mercruiser 383 stroker specs a 4" exhaust.
Both engines produce more HP as they rev higher, but lower torque due to their smaller displacement.

Understand where your going now. To get the maximum out of the 383 stroker the larger exhaust would be necessary, but this is at max rpm. If your not planning on run it WOT very much I'm sure you could get by with it. My buddy has a 383 in his checkmate and uses 3-inch exhaust flappers. His checkmate weights only around 2500 so there is not a lot of weight, this may not be an option for you.
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

I'd still be sourcing an older 454 to replace it with. No replacement for displacement.
 

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I'd still be sourcing an older 454 to replace it with. No replacement for displacement.

Ayuh,.... All kinds of 'em 'round,....

A Custom built BBC would be the direction I'd be goin',....
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

Wow, I've never ever swapped from big block to a small block. I doubt I could do it. I'd be a conscientious objector
 

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If your 454 is still running I would have it rebuilt for about $2000
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

Ayuh,.... All kinds of 'em 'round,....

A Custom built BBC would be the direction I'd be goin',....

A custom built BBC? what's that?

BTW to clarify, this is a 1977 454 330 HP motor in great running condition except it pisses oil at about 1L per hr at 3000 rpm. I'm having it pulled to find out why (main seal?) and hope to put it back in. I'm doing my research up front in case it cannot be repaired and I need to repower. Repowering a 454 with a new small block is commonly done as the new big blocks don't fit. I confess that I was under the assumption that this motor was too old to bother with a rebuild or reman due to parts supply and its' flat tappet cam. The comments so far are convincing me otherwise.
 
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Big Block Chevy. I am curious Finnerty, how did this idea get into your head? It wasn't a mechanic who just happened to have an engine handy was it?

If you do this in your 26' Tolly you will rue the day you did it and spend the rest of your days recovering from the divorce that made you sell the boat at a substantial loss since people will say "Hey there's that guy who replaced a BBC with a SBC stay away from him, He crazy" and there WILL be a divorce since ain't no self respecting lady wants to spend all her hard earned boating time watching you try to get that Tollycraft on plane while listening to all the words she didn't know existed. Why ruin a perfectly good Tolly? I like those old boats. Spent some fishing time on the Santa Barbara Channel in a 44' Tollycraft. Betcha that guy never thought of dumping his twin diesels for a couple of sewing machines. Nothing drops the value of a boat faster than being underpowered.
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

A custom built BBC? what's that?

BTW to clarify, this is a 1977 454 330 HP motor in great running condition except it pisses oil at about 1L per hr at 3000 rpm. I'm having it pulled to find out why (main seal?) and hope to put it back in. I'm doing my research up front in case it cannot be repaired and I need to repower. Repowering a 454 with a new small block is commonly done as the new big blocks don't fit. I confess that I was under the assumption that this motor was too old to bother with a rebuild or reman due to parts supply and its' flat tappet cam. The comments so far are convincing me otherwise.

Ayuh,.... While they ain't makin' 'em anymore,...

There's No shortage of seasoned blocks, 'n parts to build new motors with,...

The cam can be up-graded to roller if that's what ya want,...

Heads,..?? there's Hundreds of choices,...

Rebuilt long blocks seem to be runnin' 'bout 3 Grand in a quick google search,...
Direct drop-in replacements for the motor ya got now,....
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

Nothing drops the value of a boat faster than being underpowered.

Finnerty: you've gotten a lot of great advice from real engine guys which I am not at all but I must say, having a boat roughly the size of yours, as Walt points out, if I saw an ad for your boat, single engine that said for the engine 383 regardless of what you listed as the hp, I would right away think under-powered and move to the next boat. I'd only want to see 454 or larger.

My $.02

Mark
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

people will say "Hey there's that guy who replaced a BBC with a SBC stay away from him, He crazy" and there WILL be a divorce since ain't no self respecting lady wants to spend all her hard earned boating time watching you try to get that Tollycraft on plane while listening to all the words she didn't know existed.
:lol:

Thanks for the advice, that made my day.

As for who suggested I repower a BBC with a SBC, the Crusader salesman, my Mercruiser dealer, repower stories on the Tollycraft website, articles on the PPT website etc etc. I was also considering a Yanmar diesel, but I'm not rich, or a Hyundai Seasall diesel, but still too much money for an untested motor.
Anyway in the process I've learned some handy sayings like "there's no replacement for displacement" and "horsepower sells boats but torque moves them". Which left me trying to compare apples to oranges, that is I know my 454 produces the torque I need, but do you think I can find torque curves for BBC and SBC to compare?
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

if your going to go diesel, I recommend a Cummins. A nice QSB6.7 would push that along nicely. However back to the big block you already have.

remove it yourself, take it to your local engine builder, and for under $2000 you can have your motor back looking and running like new. if you need new heads you will be in it for about $3000 max. If you updated your profile with your location, many of us could suggest a shop.


now lets discuss big blocks. Mercruiser still uses big blocks. they get the long block from GM performance. the 454 is no longer in production, and neither is the 496 which shared the same block. However the 502 and 572 are. This is the basis of Mercruisers 525hp and 425hp motors (the 425 is a detuned 525)

The new LS motors that are being used in lieu of the big block are nice engines, however in either event your looking at a large number of bills to obtain. they also do not have the torque of your current big block.

your 454 is from the great days of low compression and conservative cams. your motor will make 330 hp all day long and there is not a part that is stressed at all. your same block and heads will support much much more power if you wanted. would require new rotating assembly, cam kit, and a few other changes. you can easily get 450hp and still be under $3000
 

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Re: Repower needs bigger exhaust ports?

Well if parts for 454s and other vintage big blocks were in jeopardy, the Muscle Car market would be nightmare! You can find/rebuild 454's all day long. I'm not sure on what year they changed their bolt pattern, but if your current motor were not able to be rebuilt, a quick look on craiglist would turn up dozens of results I'm sure. Big Blocks have been tuned to run well over 700HP on pump gas without using forced induction, so running 300-400HP is a walk in park. They actually had to work pretty hard to make less HP than that back in the mid-70's when EPA regulations started hitting.
 
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^+1agreed.

I can get a 7.4 liter from a GM truck for $300 plus tax from the local LKQ pull-it-yourself yard
 
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