right pitch and diameter for 4 blade.??

Bsw273

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What would be a good 4 Blade SS prop,to go with a 2100 maxum Sr2 5.7 mercruiser with alpha one gen 2 w/1:47r gears. As,far as better handling,fuel efficiency, hole shot? Had a 3 blade SS vengeance 14 3/4 19p. Poor handling, no acceleration over rev at top end. Just can’t decide on pitch and O.D for a 4 blade stainless steel prop...
 

Maclin

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Need more info. What RPM's are obtained at WOT? What MPH?

Just in general on that size of boat with the 5.7, a 19 to 21 pitch is pretty normal, some can go with a 23 pitch. A 19 pitch is in most cases would be for towing/skiing and will usually cause an overrev situation when solo, but have a good holeshot performance. You are saying you have both bad performance and an overrev, so really need those numbers to help.
 

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Opinion:
better handling - no
fuel efficiency - not much if any
hole shot - maybe

19 3-blade
Poor handling - think you have the drive trimmed to high
No acceleration - If you mean it doesn't pin you to the seat, then that's normal, if it actually has low acceleration then maybe need to check your motor out. Ck timing, compression, plugs, etc
Over rev - trim down some, if it still over revs then try a 21 3-blade or 19 4-blade

What's your WOT RPM and GP speed?
 

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When engine over revved, combo was running light, medium light, fully loaded ? How much more wot revs did engine achieved from max wot rpm range factory stated ? Definitely need to modify current prop at a prop shop ading slight more pitch to lessen over revving if wanting to stay with current prop.

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Bsw273

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@WOT I’m pushing between 5500-5600rpms with a 52-53mph not 100% sure if gauges are accurate. Just real sounds like motor is over rev and working hard. But, my biggest issue is handling at low speeds especially at no wake would a 4 blade benefit me in that area?
 

Sea Rider

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I'm not a 4 blade expert, but folks say it improves maneuvers at slow speed, docking within its qualities. Personally wouldn't sacrifice best top end speed as loaded in pursuit of best combo handling at slow speed. You're at slow speed just 1% of the total boating time.

Dialing best prop is an equation of middle to max wot revs, healthy tach and load. Those guys works hand in hand...

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I would start by verifying your tach. I would be surprised if a 19" pitch would over rev you boat/ engine / drive ratio. Also since you mention poor acceleration and over rev per comments verify your engine is working properly- is it craburated or injected, when was last time ignition components were replaced ? For your intended use based on my experince I think a 4 blade will work real nice. I have a similar size Sea Ray with a 5.0, 95% of my boating is skiing or tubing with 6-8 people on the boat. Four blades provided better acceleration, lower planing speed , and no blow out when trimmed up in turns at the expense of 3 mph top end

In stainless I've used a mercury vensura with nice results, although I get some bow lift on take off so I just got a revolution 4 but won't use it until spring looking for more stern lift. If you want to try aluminum I think the Michigan vortex (18" would be a good start for you) is a great value and will provide what you're looking for at lower cost. Best bet would be to get a prop shop who will let you try different pitches. Either locally or on line that the best way to do it. But make sure your tach is verified otherwise pitch is a guess.
 

Bsw273

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Wha what pitch do you run on your boat? Also did you upgrade from a three blade?
 

alldodge

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WOT I’m pushing between 5500-5600rpms

If your WOT is 4500-4600 then your in the area and not over reving. If your tach is actually reading 5500-5600 then its not working correctly, because at those rpms your motor should be coming apart.
 

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Regarding the no wake speeds, are you maybe talking about low speed wandering left-right and having to correct? And the 5500 rpm's is a really big over-rev, so I agree with the tach verification.
 

Bsw273

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Yeah, I never did trust my tach to much but,it just sounds like the motor is really laboring at top end speed. Correct on the low speed wandering constantly working the wheel at low speed. Would prop have anything to do with that?
 

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Wandering seems to be a tendency I/Os are prone to. You do need an accurate tach reading. On a 21 footer with 5.7 using 1.47 gears, a 3 blade 19 would sound about right, maybe even a bit high. What is the WOT range for your engine? 4400 - 4800, 4600 - 5000, or on some later FI engines 4800 - 5200? Inquiring minds not just want, but Need to know.
 

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You say you have poor acceleration, but you are exceeding the WOT rpm range? If the tach is accurate, over revving means not enough pitch, but less than the proper pitch results in quicker acceleration. Over revving can also be the result if the the prop has lost its grip and is blowing out. You are saying it is a dog out of the hole? Could be too much pitch, or the engine has a dead cylinder or two. What shape is the engine in?
 

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Firstly prior doing any other thing is checking with proper trim and deck weight distribution if engine runs top, it's 100% healthy, then checking tach is doing its homework right, then checking if current prop is in opt state (not spun) and go from there selecting any other 3-4 blade props that suits your boating requirement and application..

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A vengeance prop is a no frills stainless prop. It’s little more than a stainless version of the standard mercury 3 blade aluminum prop. It has minimal (if any) rake and cup. It may be stainless, but by no means is it a performance prop. Even mercury says the aluminum version is suitable up to 50mph. Beyond that, you’re not getting much from it.

if you’re running at 52mph @ 4800rpm, you’ve got 12% slip. That’s probably normal for that prop.

As far as wandering goes, that comes with the single I/O territory. It’s from prop torque, and lots of weight on the back.

Dont get too fixated on the diameter as that isn’t something you can’t readily change as the various prop models only come in one diameter for a given pitch.

A large diameter prop will will improve handling response at low speeds for the same reason as a 4 blade. You’ve got more surface area which moves more water per revolution, but the 3 blade large diameter won’t be as noticeable as a 4 blade. The downside is that the wandering may increase.

A small diameter prop will will not yield the same handling response, but it may not wander as much. The downside is the reduced surface area makes it more prone to blow out and the loss of performance from added weight is more pronounced. The only exception here is the mercury enertia. Everyone loves them. It’s a smaller diameter prop that thinks it’s a lot bigger.

For these kinds of boats (18’-22’ runabouts w/4.3-5.7 engines) I consider a small diameter to be anything under 14”, and large is anything over.

For your tach, remove it, turn the selector screw back and forth a few times and put it back in the 8 cylinder position. Sometimes that makes them act better. They’re not the most reliable, but not as bad as they’re made out to be either.

When you say the engine is laboring, can you elaborate? Is it lugging? Or is it screaming along? You also said the acceleration is poor. Does it bog down when you open the throttle and slowly come up? Or does the engine rev up while boat takes off slowly? Have you checked to see if your exhaust shutters are in place? They could cause an exhaust blockage if they break free. It doesn’t sound like it, but it only takes a few minutes to check.

1. First step is to make certain you’re receiving accurate or somewhat accurate info. Deal with the tach.
2. Note your speed at different trim angles and corresponding engine rpm. You don’t need many reference points on this.
3. Check your exhaust shutters because it only takes a few minutes.

is your engine fuel injected or a 4 barrel? There’s a slim chance it could be a 2 barrel which would really throw things off (but this is highly unlikely). Your engine, gearing, and hull length/style means you’ve got a 53-56mph boat.

Rev4/Q4 four blade
mirage plus/thunderbolt large 3 blade
enertia/q3 small 3 blade.

The q3, q4, and thunderbolt are all Quicksilver variants of the corresponding mercury branded props listed above. Finish, features, etc are the same. The only difference is the name on the box and the Quicksilvers tend to save you 20-30% on price.
 

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Doesn’t add up. My opinions from what’s stated.
Firstly there is no way a 19” is getting 5500rpm with that engine, boat and a 1.47 ratio.
Even if it was, your holeshot would be electric.
Speed quoted is also very unlikely in true GPS. These speeds, although unlikely would only be seen with much lower revs and higher pitch labouring prop.
Every instinct I have on this would suggest a good 3 blade 19” would suit this boat well, but it would never see those revs....I’d get the tachometer checked.
Although potentially a quick enough boat, it’s never going to be a rocket ship.
I wont be the first or last to say it, but holeshot and top end don’t come together. It’s one or the other and best somewhere in between. Usually close to the top end of the max rpm range when flat out and trimmed is ideal. So likely about 4700-4800 rpm flat out is what you are looking for.
A laser 2 is worth a try. Not ideal for all boats, but a good all rounder.
 

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Wha what pitch do you run on your boat? Also did you upgrade from a three blade?
I run a 21" but my boat is a jackalope... I repowered from a 4.3 to 5.0 but kept the 1.82 drive ratio. From the factory a 5.0 in my boat would come with a 1.62 drive, so basically I need to step up one notch in pitch from a 19" to 21".

On my old boat I had two 4 Michigan vortex blades -16" for skiing , 18" for everything else. I did run a set of three blades previously 17" for skiing, 19" for cruise. I did get all the benefits you seek holeshot, planing and handling going to four blades. You'll give up 3-5 mph top end, but the boat hooks up better where I use it loaded down and towing watersports.
 
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