Score One for a Return of Civil Rights

WillyBWright

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White House Shifts Course on Spy Program

By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A year after disclosure of a domestic spying program that President Bush maintained was within his authority to operate, the administration shifted its position and said it would seek the approval of an independent panel of federal judges.

The program allowed the National Security Agency - without a court-issued warrant -to monitor phone calls and e-mails between the United States and other countries when a link to terrorism was suspected. Bush secretly authorized the program shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told senators in a letter Wednesday that "any electronic surveillance that was occurring as part of the Terrorist Surveillance Program will now be conducted subject to the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."

Gonzales announced the change on the eve of his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee, his first since the committee came under control of Democrats after the November elections. Congressional intelligence committees had already been briefed on the shift.

Gonzales said Bush would not reauthorize the program once it expires. The court already has approved at least one warrant to conduct surveillance involving a person suspected of having ties to al-Qaida or an associated terror group, Justice officials said.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said the administration is satisfied with new rules adopted by the FISA court to address administration officials' concerns about national security. Snow could not explain why those concerns were not addressed before the program began.

After The New York Times disclosed the program's existence, many lawmakers and civil libertarians questioned whether it was constitutional. The administration vigorously defended the program as essential to national security.

Although the secret court was established precisely to review requests for domestic surveillance warrants, the White House insisted that such oversight was not required by law and, in fact, would slow efforts to stop terrorists. Bush maintained the warrantless program's existence was "fully consistent with my constitutional responsibilities and authorities."

Last August, a federal judge in Detroit declared the spying program unconstitutional, saying it violated the rights to free speech and privacy and the separation of powers. In October, a three-judge panel of the Cincinnati-based appeals court ruled that the administration could keep the program in place while it appeals the Detroit decision.

That appeal, which was scheduled to be heard on Jan. 31, will now likely be rendered moot, said one Justice Department official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the government has not yet officially decided whether to drop its case.

Attorneys for the department notified the appeals court in a separate letter Wednesday that "the government plans to file promptly papers ... addressing the implications of this development on the litigation."

The American Civil Liberties Union, which sued the government over the program, called the Justice Department's announcement "a quintessential flip-flop."

"The NSA was operating illegally and this eleventh-hour ploy is clearly an effort to avoid judicial and congressional scrutiny," said ACLU executive director Anthony D. Romero. "Despite this adroit back flip, the constitutional problems with the president's actions remain unaddressed."
 

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Ayuh,....... Real Nice Liberal Spin on That 1.......

Fact Is,......
The Same Program is proceeding Exactly the Same Way it was Before,........

The ONLY Difference is,......
The FISC Court has put in Writing,.....
Exactly what was going on Before they put it in Writing.........

Ayuh,......... Willy be Wrong,......... Again.............
 

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Leave it to Bondo to have a problem with getting back one of his civil rights. :rolleyes:

If Willy B Wrong, why is GWB flip-flopping? Definately NOT exactly the same. Oversight restored! Is that what you have a problem with Bondo, King George finally being tamed down to Constitutional presidential power?
 

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Willy, just how were your rights ever affected?

Please give dates, times, and which terrorist organizations you were in contact with.
 

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Thinkin Rodbolt hacked into WBW's sign-on.
 

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Like Big Brother will ever release that information. Get real! Prove to me they were'nt spying on me or you. Then I'll mention the Quakers.

Leave it to Crunchy to have a problem having one of his civil rights restored too. And you call yourselves Conservatives. You don't have a clue what the term means. Neocons are an abomination of the Conservative movement just like OBL is an abomination of Islam.
 

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"Snow could not explain why those concerns were not addressed before the program began."

LOL ...bad Tony....BAD!

I bet pundit/reporter meant to write " Snow WOULD NOT EXPLAIN...8)
 

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Thinkin Rodbolt hacked into WBW's sign-on.

Na, Willy uses caps. :p
 

WillyBWright

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Tony couldn't even come up with another Snow job. Sad! :p
 

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Amazing how that much hate will color everything a person sees.
 

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When a covert (secret) operation becomes public knowledge the usefulness of keeping it covert is lost.
 

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JB said:
When a covert (secret) operation becomes public knowledge the usefulness of keeping it covert is lost.

Aint that the truth. The shadow government has done it's job.

Note to the next Republican Administration: FIRE THE WHOLE LOT AND START FRESH! enough of the "kinder gentler" crap. Look where it has got you W!
 

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You think that this suit filed a year ago yesterday, had any bearing on the restoration of our First and Fourth amendment rights?

Two groups sue over NSA wiretap program
Complaints: Bush exceeding presidential authority

Tuesday, January 17, 2006; Posted: 9:59 p.m. EST (02:59 GMT
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Two lawsuits were filed Tuesday against the National Security Agency over its no-warrant wiretapping program, claiming the domestic eavesdropping is unconstitutional and that President Bush exceeded his authority by authorizing it.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit in the Eastern District of Michigan on behalf of several journalists, authors, scholars and organizations.

Separately, the Center for Constitutional Rights filed suit in the Southern District of New York on behalf of "clients who fit the criteria described by the attorney general for targeting" under the program.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/17/aclu.nsa/

It has been about forty years ago that the Federal government was violating the rights of Martin Luther King in the name of national security by the bugging route. One would think that the present administration would have had a clue, but Nooo.
 

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Leave it to Bondo to have a problem with getting back one of his civil rights.

It's Impossible to Regain what was Never Lost.........

My personal Civil Rights were Never in Any Danger,.....

'cause I don't have any International Communications,.....
Much less with the Enemy...............

When a covert (secret) operation becomes public knowledge the usefulness of keeping it covert is lost.

Ayuh,..........
I Guess that's another Win for the Liberals,+ Alquida..........
 

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The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit in the Eastern District of Michigan on behalf of several journalists, authors, scholars and organizations.

Separately, the Center for Constitutional Rights filed suit in the Southern District of New York on behalf of "clients who fit the criteria described by the attorney general for targeting" under the program.

Ayuh,.........

I Remember it quite Clearly,...........

1 of the Named Clients was Convicted a few months ago for Conspiring with the Enemy.......

He was a Doctor living in Syracuse,..... Sending Funds to Alquida..........
 

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WillyBWright said: Like Big Brother will ever release that information. Get real! Prove to me they were'nt spying on me or you. Then I'll mention the Quakers.

Leave it to Crunchy to have a problem having one of his civil rights restored too. And you call yourselves Conservatives. You don't have a clue what the term means. Neocons are an abomination of the Conservative movement just like OBL is an abomination of Islam.

Willy, Willy, Willy: This has nothing to do with Conservatives being an "abomination" of the Conservative movement, and you are very wrong about OBL being an abomination to Islam. He just forcefully practices and clearly states the time honored policies of "the religion of peace" as stated in the Koran and practiced from the 7th century right up to today. He just has money and the internet and 1 Billion followers to recrute from, so he has managed to marshall these modern tools to threaten the civilized world: that's the only difference between then under Mohammed and now under OBL. Most Conservatives and even some thoughtfull Liberals are just being pragmatic about a REAL WAR that really does have significant risks to all of us who love freedom, respect women, and the rule of law. As my fellow Conservatives have stated herein: there is not much point to continue the program after the treasonist Liberals at the NYT exposed it to OBL and his buds (how we have stopped them from 9/11 to late 2005). You and your Liberal pals should stop your war with GW Bush and focus your venum on the terrorists who mean to do us all real harm. Respectfully JR
 

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Quote Bond-o


I Remember it quite Clearly,...........

1 of the Named Clients was Convicted a few months ago for Conspiring with the Enemy.......

He was a Doctor living in Syracuse,..... Sending Funds to Alquida..........



Hey Bond-o are you referring to doctor Dr. Rafil Dhafir? If so he is a US citizen charged with breaking the Sanctions against Iraq. . Nothing to do with illegal wire-tapping.

Of course he was the only one ever prosecuted for breaking sanctions, not Exxon Mobil,for breaking sanctions to Sudan, nor Chevron Texaco, for thier deals with with Cuban and Iraqi officials ,are even Halliburton who In 1995, paid $1.2 million to the U.S. government and $2.61 million in civil penalties for shipping oilfield equipment to Libya in violation of a U.S. trade embargo.
 

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What's your point, WillyB?

I don't take positions based on who else has that position. Sometimes I agree with the left, sometimes with the right and sometimes with neither. That is not flip-flopping, it is independent thought.

My comment is for the issue of removing the surveillance of international communications involving suspected enemies from covert operations. It has nothing to do with Scooter or Valerie.
 

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So that would be a "Yes" on the flip-flop question. Thanks JB. Glad we got that resolved. Hey everybody, JB is voting Kerry in '08.! :p
 
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