Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

Jeb1971

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Hi All.
I have a '79 Evinrude 140 with a 3-wire tilt/trim unit. I recieved a wiring harness and box with it which apparently takes one solenoid which I have aquired from a local wrecker.
I need a little more detailed wiring diagram than the one in the Seloc book, page:9-13.. That diagram is pretty good, but dosent go into detail about how wires attach to solenoid. Perhaps solenoid is bad because as I said, when I switch the switch one way, the motor runs, but the other way, the solenoid does a high rate click click click.. I thought it was pretty cut and dried following the battery cables, but the test I did only activated the unit one way making me think that possibly my assumption about the connection to the solenoid might be bad.
Does anyone have a better detailed diagram? I cant really afford a factory shop manual at this time.,Thank you.
 

ramminjammin

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

i have a 1983 140 , there are three wires at the control and two wires at the hydraulic pump, and there are two relays that make it all work. If yours is the same i can draw you a diagram.
 

Jeb1971

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

Thanks for your reply. You have the style with the relays. I would prefer that setup, and maby will try to retrofit someday, but until then I have this single solenoid setup. The only part I need help with is which poles on the solenoid that the wires attach to. The Seloc book does not differentiate the posts on the solenoid. Thanks for your help. I may take you up on that offer about your diagram as I would prefer to use relays instead of this single solenoid setup.
John
 

HighTrim

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

You did not say what were you were attempting to go when it just clicked. The clicking indicates that the solenoid is functioning.

First check the manual release valve. Rest motor on locks and check oil resevoir level. I will show you how to trouble shoot the electrical system below, with help from the nifty chart ezeke supplied, it will help in this.

1. Make sure battery is FULLY charged.

2. With a voltmeter, connect red lead to point E1 in junction box and meter black lead to point G. Meter should indicate battery voltage.

3. If no voltage is indicated, move meter red lead to poiint E2 on solenoid. If battery voltage is indicated check FUSE in junction box. If no voltage, check red and black leads to battery for poor connection or open circuit. Polish them up, no corrosion, dirt, rust, etc...

DOWN CIRCUIT

1. Move red meter lead to point E3 in junction box, push trim switch in the down position. Battery voltage should be indicated. If trim motor does not run, test motor.

2. If no voltage is indicated at point E3, move meter red lead to trim switch at point E4 and meter black lead to point G1. Push trim switch in down position. If meter indicates battery voltage, lead is open between point E3 and E4.

3. If no voltage at point E4, move meter red lead to point E5 in trim switch. If battery voltage is indicated, trim switch may be defective.

4. If no voltage is indicated at point E5, check continuity of ground lead from trim gauge G1 to junction box point G. If ground lead is good, move meter red lead to junction box at point E1 and meter black lead to point G on junction box. If battery voltage is indicated, lead is open between E1 and E5.

UP CIRCUIT

1. Connect voltmeter red lead to junction box at point E6 and meter black lead to ground at point G. Push trim switch up. Battery voltage should be indicated. If trim motor does not run, test motor.

2. If no voltage is indicated at point E6, move meter red lead to point E7 on solenoid. Push trim switch in up position. If voltage is indicated, blue lead is open between E6 and E7.

3. If no voltage is indicated at E7, move meter red lead to point E8. Push trim switch in up position. Battery voltage should be indicated. If trim motor does not run, connect meter red lead to point E2 on solenoid. If battery voltage id indicated, solenoid is DEFECTIVE and must be replaced.

4. If no voltage is indicated at point E8 on solenoid, move meter red lead to point E9 and meter black lead to ground at point G1 on trim gauge. Push trim switch in up position. Battery voltage should be indicated. If battery voltage is indicated, lead is open between E8 and E9.

5. If no voltage is indicated at E9, move meter red lead to point E5 on trim switch. If voltage is indicated, switch is defective and must be replaced.

6. If no voltage is indicated at E5, check continuity of ground lead between trim gauge G1 to G in junction box for open circuit.

7. If ground lead is good and no voltage at E5, move meter red lead to E1 in junction box. If voltage is indicated, lead is open between E5 and E1.

TRIM INDICATOR CIRCUIT

1. Connect voltmeter ted lead to point E10 on indicator gauge and black lead to G1 on indicator gauge. If battery voltage is indicated, proceed to step 4.

2. If no voltage indicated at E10, move meter red lead to horn at point E11. Battery voltage indicated lead is open between horn and trim indicator gauge.

3. If no voltage, move meter red lead to point E12 on key switch. Battery voltage should indicate. If no, check key switch. If key switch good, check engine fuse and lead to key switch for open circuit.

4. Disconnect tan/white lead from "S" terminal of trim gauge. Connect ohmmeter to disconnected lead "ohm1" and to G1.

With the motor in the full trim position, ohmmeter should read 82 to 88 ohms. With the motor in full tilt, ohmmeter should read 0 to 10 ohms. If infinite reading check for open circuit between trim gauge "G" terminal and "G" in junction box. Also check for open circuit in tan/white lead with lead disconnected from "S" gauge terminal. Check between "ohm 1" and point "ohm 2" in junction box. Disconnect both black sending unit leads from "ohm2" and "G" terminals. Check for above resistance readings. If not within specs, replace sending unit.
 

Jeb1971

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

Thanks HighTrim, but I know the unit functions as I tested it manually with the 3 wires coming from the motor with black being groung and blue being to activate UP and green to activate down. What I need is a diagram showing which wires go to which posts on the solenoid, so it will function properly with the solenoid and switch setup. Right now, it is just a matter of wire connections.
There are the 2 big posts and the 2 small posts on the solenoid, and I just want to hook it up right and not take a chance of shorting out my solenoid (if I hook it up wrong), but thank you for the link. I have that link in my Seloc manual.
Ezeke, Thank you for that thumnail. that is also the same pic thats in my seloc, minus the colored wires, however, same thing..it dosen't show which posts on the solenoid that the wires go to. It dosent differentiate the large posts to the small ones.
Thank you
 

HighTrim

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

If im understanding you correctly, the top two posts, the large ones, are for the tnt up wire. The solenoid controls the "up" function. The Blue wire coming from the motor runs to the second junction screw in from the inline fuse, then from there on to the large top post furthest away from the junction panel. The other large post has 2 power wires coming to it, 1 from the inline fuse, the other from the battery.The ground wire from the motor goes to the fourth junction spot in from the inline fuse, which also jumps to the fifth, and also runs to the smaller post on the solenoid. From there it runs to the battery. And finally the green (down) wire coming from the motor runs to the 3rd junction spot. Much easier if i could find a pic for you. If it wasnt raining and dark here I would go outside and take a pic for you to work off of. That diagram that ezeke provided is pretty much bang on though. Ill send you a real life picture tomorrow though if you still need it. Let me know.
 

Jeb1971

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

I figured it out!!!
I was looking closer at the diagram ezeke posted, and the drawing of the solenoid shows the larger and smaller posts, which my seloc didnt. I went down and wired it up and it works great.
HighTrim, You were right, it is only solenoid controled in the up position.
Thank you all for your help and advice!
Success! John
 

HighTrim

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

Good Job! Not a problem at all.
 

redlinj

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Re: Seeking wiring diagram for 3-wire tilt/trim

High trim, could you send me that diagram. I've got a 1976 200hp Evenrude with 3 wires coming out of the trim and 3 out of the tilt. (blue, green and black). Can I just hook up each one to a separate switch? Do I need relays or a solonoid? This has got to be a lot easier than I am making this out to bee. Thanks, Jim
 
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