Senate deal on illegal immigration

Plainsman

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Senate deal on illegal immigration


"Here’s the section-by-section breakdown of the just-announced Senate deal on illegal immigration given to us by a Senate source. We haven’t had the time to analyze it yet, but we’ll be back with the fast, concise and hard details on what appears to be an horrifically bad deal."

I have emailed my congressmen and asked them to vote No on this bill.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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What ever the bill is, i'm sure that it is not in the best interest of the American people.
If it ain't broke leave it the hell alone, why not just uphold the present laws as they are. :(
 

rolmops

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What ever the bill is, i'm sure that it is not in the best interest of the American people.
If it ain't broke leave it the hell alone, why not just uphold the present laws as they are. :(

I would say that the current system is totally bankrupt.Obviously we need the illegal labor.Our economy is addicted to cheap workers.
The reason why the current laws are not enforced is the above mentioned and the little bit of common sense that tells me that we simply do not have prisons big enough to hold all the illegal border crossers and other illegals.Nor can we afford the expense.
 

Plainsman

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Quote rolmps "Nor can we afford the expense." end quote

I think it's the oppisite, we can't afford NOT to fix the problem and this bill will fix nothing. It will bring in MORE family of the ILLEGALS.
They need to secure the border, penalize employers who hire the ILLEGALS and cut off federal funding to sancuary cities. That would be a start. Rewarding someone for breaking the law is NOT the answer.
I say welcome to America, just do it LEGALLY.
 

bruceb58

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This is a horrible bill. I can't believe our politicians say that this is not an amnesty bill.

Back in 1986 when the last "Amnesty" bill was passed we had a spike in immigration. This time will be no different. They promised increase enforcement back then...did it happen...no!!!!

This bill is going to grant almost immediate amnesty to 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants.

This bill has the potential of totally devastating our economy. Makes Haut's Big Oil look like peanuts. For every dollar that an unskilled worker pays in taxes, he cost society 3 dollars in benefits. How on earth should we be allowing this to happen?

For those of you who live in Southern california know what I am talking about. Our schools are overcrowded, our highways are overcrowded, our emergency rooms are overrrun...the list goes on. This Bill will make it much worse.
 

Skinnywater

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I would say that the current system is totally bankrupt.Obviously we need the illegal labor.Our economy is addicted to cheap workers.
The reason why the current laws are not enforced is the above mentioned and the little bit of common sense that tells me that we simply do not have prisons big enough to hold all the illegal border crossers and other illegals.Nor can we afford the expense.

First, they aren't cheap labor. Most get paid a fair wage, they themselves see to that. And their benefits come at the expense of the taxpayer.

Second, prisons aren't the answer, sealing the border is the answer. And that expense can be paid for with all the saved taxpayer benefits given to those that come to this country ILLEGALLY.

Instead what is bankrupt is a government that goes to great lengths to represent the illegal foreigners over America, American citizens, American laws, American culture, American language and American borders.

Reform isn't the answer, a will to enforce the laws already written is the answer.

If this single issue doesn't make one question their support for the 2 party system and the nematodes in power, nothing will.
 

jinx

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The bill is over 1000 pages, I haven't had time to read it yet.

Jinx
 

Limited-Time

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We need to arrange a time for all LEGAL Americans to bend over and get ready to take it. I suggest at the precise time this bill becomes law.
 

wakeout

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I say down with this bill!! We will soon be a 3rd world if we keep letting
illegal immigrats in here.
 

Skinnywater

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The bill is over 1000 pages, I haven't had time to read it yet.

Jinx

The law that this replaces I'll bet is a tenth in size.

Without a doubt every one of the thousand pages takes US further from where we need to be.

This will be major, historical legislation that agains sets additional precedence to undermine....law.....American law, and America, American citizens, American culture, American language and American borders.

Jinx don't take this personal please my rant isn't with you, just that
I'm about as disgusted as I can be right now with the pizzants in Washington.
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "lame duck".
So lame Kennedy is prolly in the Lincoln bedroom this week.....how chummy.
 

Haut Medoc

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Why can't we just enslave them?.....:D :D :D
 

jinx

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You won't get an argument from me about congress. I was just researching some old Abscam tapes for a project, so I feel like I crawled out of a sewer.

It's really hard to keep kid's believing in their government, and that may harm us more than we can know.

Jinx

Edit: added as an afterthought.

It could be that the fear is that this bill is better than what could eventually come out of this congress. I doubt that Speaker Pelosi's misgivings are because it is too lenient. Rather, she may work for something much worse.

Personally, I need more information.
 

kenimpzoom

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First off, I am totally POed about illegal immigrants. But lets live in the real world folks. I dont like any amnesty bill, but these people are not going to go home willingly. Remember, most of them arent illegal, they have stolen IDs of citizens, so to their employer, they are legal. Also, sending them all home could have a negative effect on the economy. Labor shortages will drive up prices immediatley.

Lets read a little bit closer:

Before any of this goes into effect, the following must happen
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Triggers include:
o 18,000 (CBP) Border Patrol hired
o Construction of 200 miles of vehicle barriers and 370 miles of fencing
o 70 ground-based radar and camera towers along the southern border
o Deployment of 4 Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and supporting systems
o The ending of catch-and-release
o Resources to detain up to 27,500 aliens per day on an annual basis
o The use of secure and effective identification tools to prevent unauthorized work.
o The receiving and processing and adjudicating of applications for Z status.
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***THIS COULD TAKE YEARS!!!!!***

Here is info on the illegal immigrant amnesty visa. Five grand penalty is no small change, but I am sure thier credit cards will advance them the money.

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This title provides a new visa for most individuals currently living within the U.S. illegally.

? Creates a new four-year, renewable ?Z? nonimmigrant visa to address the undocumented population within the U.S. The visa is split up into three groups:
o a principal or employed alien (Z-1),
o the spouse or elderly parent of that alien (Z-2),
o and the minor children of that alien (Z-3).

? Cut off Date: In order to be eligible for this visa, one must have been illegally present within the U.S. before January 1, 2007.

? Fees and Penalties: To apply, an alien seeking Z-1 status must be currently employed and pay fees and penalties totaling $5,000 (less for derivative Z?s) to be eligible for a green card under the merit-based system.

? Probationary, the Permanent Z Status: Once an applicant submits a completed application, fingerprints, and is cleared by one-day background checks he will receive probationary benefits which can eventually be converted to a Z nonimmigrant status after all background checks are clear and the triggers set forth in Title I are achieved.

? LPR Status: A Z-1 nonimmigrant may adjust status to lawful permanent residence after the family backlog under Title V is eliminated if the Z applicant:
o Satisfies the merit requirements in the points schedule set forth in Title V.
o files the application for adjustment in the Z-1?s country of origin and
o pays a penalty of $4,000.

? DREAM ACT: Individuals under the age of 30 that were brought to the United States out of their own control as a minor are eligible to receive their green card after 3 years rather than 8.
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I dont like it any more than you do, but it may be a decent compromise.

To make me really like it, they should make all the forms only available in english.

Ken
 

Fly Rod

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Bend over "AMERICA!!" the politicians have ordered millions of 55 gal. drums of vasoline and Barney Frank has stepped forward to take charge of administering the dosage.
 

roscoe

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Lets read a little bit closer:

Before any of this goes into effect, the following must happen
****************************
Triggers include:
o 18,000 (CBP) Border Patrol hired
o Construction of 200 miles of vehicle barriers and 370 miles of fencing
o 70 ground-based radar and camera towers along the southern border
o Deployment of 4 Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and supporting systems
o The ending of catch-and-release
o Resources to detain up to 27,500 aliens per day on an annual basis
o The use of secure and effective identification tools to prevent unauthorized work.
o The receiving and processing and adjudicating of applications for Z status.
***************************

***THIS COULD TAKE YEARS!!!!!***


Ken


Sorry, but buried in the fine print.... The triggers do not have to be met/achieved, after 18 months, the z visas/amnesty cards start to flow. Its all over the news today.
 

OldMercsRule

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This is a real big deal for our Country, but before I make specific comments the fine print needs to be read and analysed. Ted Kennedy wants this bill, (which really scares me), and he has been very specific about his long term adjenda. That is one of the reasons I do respect Mr Kennedy. Unlike most of the other sneaky Libs he is sooo secure in himself he does tell ya what he wants in naked terms. He has made many statements over a long period of time that he wants to have much more poor immigrants in this Country to become good Democrats to shift the Country to Socializm and wealth redistribution, (he has his own Kennedy family off shore trust so the Kennedy Family will not be part of the redistribution the rest of us will toil under). That clarity does make me very skeptical, but I do want to see the deal. That said: we do need to close the borders and deal with the problem that was accelerated in 1986 by a Great President: Ronald Reagan. My $.02. JR
 

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If we have that many here, why not train them, and arm them to over throw their home country. That is what needs to be done. If they have any respect for their homeland, that is what they need to do. This method would allow Mexico to become a legit democracy without the USA being involved of invading another country. It would be their own citizens doing it.

If say something like this would leak out, just maybe the leaders of Mexico would start doing things to keep their people there. Its sad when their government gives them GPS units on how to get to the US. The sad part is NOTHING is being done.

Our government needs to look down the road at a 100 or so years vs a quick fix. Again they are wanting to sweep all of us taxpayers under the rug and walk on us some more. Just thoughly disgussted to the max.............SS
 

bruceb58

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Wow...a political thread that everyone agrees on! Oh..except for Rolmops...but he doesn't really count.
 

POINTER94

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This whole situation makes me so angry I can't even reply. Note you can't empty the tub until you turn off the faucet.
 

GlasstronJim

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Yes SS Mayfloat that is the best idea I have heard yet!!!! We could do like Iran and just stay at home and send our mexican militia down to take their own country back then rolmops would be on our side!!!!!!
 
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