Service Manual #8

[T-Max]

I know that Don was forced to remove his service manual links recently; but I also know that prior to that, the service manuals were available for download as a pdf document. Unfortunately, I did not download Service Manual #8, although I did open it and look as some of it.

I still don't know if it could actually be "downloaded" (saved as a pdf file to your hard drive).

But if it could, and anybody here did that and thus has it, could you please PM me. It obviously was available for download at one time; so if you did it then, it's yours now and there's no problem with sharing it with others if you choose to. You didn't steal it; you obtained it legally and you can do whatever you want with it since it's your property.

Thanks much

 

[Alpheus]

Re: Service Manual #8

Which one was # 8???

 

[T-Max]

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Which one was # 8???

That's the one for my engine: Mercruiser 170 (1986). It's in my signature.

 

[Bt Doctur]

Re: Service Manual #8

I have found only these left active
11,13,14,16,20

 

[45Auto]

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It obviously was available for download at one time; so if you did it then, it's yours now and there's no problem with sharing it with others if you choose to. You didn't steal it; you obtained it legally and you can do whatever you want with it since it's your property.

Wow, that's about the most outrageous internet lawyer claim I've seen in the last couple of years!

 

[achris]

Re: Service Manual #8

... It obviously was available for download at one time; so if you did it then, it's yours now and there's no problem with sharing it with others if you choose to. You didn't steal it; you obtained it legally and you can do whatever you want with it since it's your property.

Thanks much

Not quite true... The real truth is that even if you paid for a copy (hard of pdf) you DO NOT own the copyright. You can not legally make a copy and give it to someone....

Merc have every right to shut down the manuals. Doesn't mean we like it, but they own the copyright and can (and appear to be) enforcing that.

Even if you pass them by email, technically you are infringing their copyright and they can come after you with the full weight of the law behind them.

Microsoft did it a few years ago. They nailed a few people in Australia for illegal software (books and manuals are no different), and the cost was no small sum!!!

That doesn't mean we have to like Merc for doing it, and I would recommend that if you don't like it, take your business to the other manufacturer, who is allowing their manuals to be shared. When my engine's due for an update, I'll be giving Volvo a very serious look.

Chris........

 

[Bt Doctur]

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What if there were still some available? would copyright still apply?

 

[45Auto]

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Doesn't matter how many times or in how many places a copyrighted item is posted. It's still illegal unless the poster has the owner's permission. Only reason the manuals were available for so long is because Mercruiser didn't choose to exercise their rights until now.

If you're smart, you'll download a copy of the Volvo manuals while they're still available .......

 

[T-Max]

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...Merc have every right to shut down the manuals....

Exactly. They shut them down. Meaning they stopped making them freely available.

Which they previously had done. So you REALLY think they'd go after someone who had previously downloaded a free copy that Merc had previously made available for free?

Maybe they do that in Australia, but I'm from New Jersey and they ain't doin' that here.

I never said you owned the copyright if you made a copy. Of course you don't. Duh!!!!

But if you think Merc is going to prosecute someone for passing on a copy he got for free -- from Merc when Merc was making them available for free -- you cannot actually be serious.

Microsoft is an entirely different situation and has no comparison to this one.

45Auto - You are also misinformed. It's called estoppel and there's no way passing on a copy of the service manual is going to result in prosecution.

Sheesh!

 

[T-Max]

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Which one was # 8???

I stumbled on this link, which might be of interest. I'll also copy and paste the info into this message. As you can see, Service Manual #8 is for my engine.

http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=103451

This comes up quite a bit...so here's what you need to know:

#1 90-68648 1963-1973 Engines & Drives - All
#2 90-71707 1974-1977 Engines & Drives - All
#3 90-95693 1978-1984 Engines - All 4, L6 & V8
#4 90-86137 1978-1982 Sterndrives - MC 120 to 260
#5 90-12935 1978-1993 Sterndrives - TR & TRS
#6 90-12934--2 1983-1990 Sterndrives - R, MR, Alpha One & Alpha One SS
#7 90-12410 1983-1993 Engines - GM V6
#8 90-44553 1985-1989 Engines - Mercury Marine 4 Cyl.
#9 90-14499--1 1985-1988 Engines - GM V8
#10 90-14693--1 1985-1989 Engines - GM 4 Cyl.
#11 90-17431--4 1988-1998 Sterndrives - Bravo
#12 90-814099--1 1989-1993 Engines - Diesel, 5 & 6 Cyl.
#13 90-816462 1990-1997 Engines - GM 4 Cyl.
#14 90-818177--2 1991- Cur. Sterndrives - Alpha One Gen II
#15 90-816463 1989-1992 Engines - GM V8 (No Hi Perf.)
#16 90-823224--2 1993-1997 Engines - GM V8 454 & 502 CID (Gen V - Gen VI)
#17 90-823225--1 1993-1997 Engines - GM V8 305 & 350 CID (5.0L 93-95)
#18 90-823226--1 1993-1997 Engines - GM V6 Gen II Balance Shaft
#19 90-823227 1994-1996 Engines - Diesel, V8, 7.3L (IDI)
#20 90-823228 1994-1998 Sterndrive - Blackhawk
#21 90-806934 1994 - Engines - Diesel, 5 & 6 Cyl. 3.0L, 3.6L & 4.2L (IDI)
#22 90-860074 1997 - Engines - Diesel, D-Tronic 2.8L and 4.2L (DI)
#23 90-861326--1 1998 - Engines - GM V8 454 & 502 CID (Gen VI and L-29)
#24 90-861327--1 1998 - Engines - GM V8 305 & 350 CID
#24
Suppliment 90-861327000 1998 - Engines - GM V8 377 CID (6.2L)
#25 90-861328--1 1998 - Engines - GM V6
#26 90-861329--1 1998 - Engines - GM 4 Cyl.
#27 90-861784 1998 - Engines - V-8 Diesel, D7.3L D-Tronic (DI)
#27
Suppliment 90-861784990 1998 - Engines - V-8Diesel D7.3L D-Tronic & D-Tronic LD
#28 90-863160 1999 - Sterndrive#65533;Bravo One-Two-Three & XZ/XR
#29 90-860316 All D1.7L DTI In-Line Diesel (available early 2001)
#30 90-863161 1998- Engines - 496 CID/8.1L Gasoline Engine
#31 90-864260 2001- Engines - 5.0L (305), 5.7L (350), and 6.2L (377)
#32 90-864261 2001- Engines - 4.3L (262)
#33 90-863757--1 2001- Engines - PCM555 Diagnostics
HP #1 90-817110 1989-1992 Engines - Hi-Performance (Mark IV
HP420/HP425/HP465, HP500 Bulldog, HP575)
HP #2 90-815526 1982 - Sterndrives - III & II, III, IV & V SSM
HP #2
Suppliment 90-849776 All Sterndrives - III A
HP #3 90-848294-1 1992-1998 Engines - Hi-Performance (Gen V HP425/HP450/HP465/HP500,
Mark IV & Gen V HP525SC & HP600SC, HP 800SC)
HP #4 90-848656 All Sterndrives - VI & VII (Non Dry Sump)
HP #5 90-840250 1999- Sterndrives - VI (Dry Sump)
HP #6 90-840283 1999- HP500 EFI
HP #7 90-840500 1999- Engines - HP377 EFI

(Credit to Msibly for that info / list)

 

[Bt Doctur]

Re: Service Manual #8

T, from that link the only ones still available as of right now are
6,11,13,14,16,18,20

 

[achris]

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...from Merc when Merc was making them available for free -- ...

Merc never made them available free... The link they had on their website (over 2 years ago) was password protected and for dealers only.... The password got out and they lost control of the access, so they shut it down. Someone who had already downloaded some or all of the manuals then uploaded them to a file server and offered them up again. That site has now been told by Merc to delete them from the server.

Do I really thing Merc (or anyone else trying to protect copyright) would go after someone with illegal copies of their work? Damn right I do! They only have to nail one person to scare the others, and the cost of the penalty, in Australia, $20,000 for an individual and $100,000 for a business.

Chris........

 

[T-Max]

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Merc never made them available free...

Well, then I guess we're ALL guilty of copyright infringement, huh?

P.S.: If Merc didn't make them available for free then they don't have to worry about estoppel.

...Do I really thing Merc (or anyone else trying to protect copyright) would go after someone with illegal copies of their work? Damn right I do!...

That's what's great about a free society. Anybody has the right to think whatever he wants.

P.S.: If Merc didn't make them available for free, then I don't think they're too interested in prosecuting a few folks passing on the odd copy. They'd likely be looking to spend their money finding and prosecuting the folks who gave or got the password which allowed all of us to get a free copy. Apparently, they're not even interested in prosecuting those folks since they merely told them to just stop making the free copies available.

 

[T-Max]

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T, from that link the only ones still available as of right now are
6,11,13,14,16,18,20

Yea, I know that not all of them are still available. If you look at his post you'll see that he updated it to that effect.

I only put the info up because it appears to be a comprehensive list of what each of the manuals pertains to. So the one for my engine is Service Manual #8. For my sterndrive it's Service Manual #6 (which IS still available).

If I had a 1983-1993 GM V6, I'd want Service Manual #7.

And so on.

 

[wguttrid]

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Curious are any of these manual still available?

Interested in #1,#2, and #3.