Should I try this?

[bowrider200]

I have been a boat owner for a week now and I am taking my 1993 Sea Ray Bowrider 200 out for the second time this weekend. I was wondering if anyone knows about how much the boat weighs, or where I can find the info. I have found figures from 2500 up to 2700 lbs. I (my wife) would like to pull it with our 2009 2wd Honda Pilot (FWD V6 rated for 3500lbs) since it has more room than my 07 Silverado ext cab (4.8 V8). Our route to the river has one overpass at a canal, other than that its a relatively flat trip. Should I give in to her wishes or stick with a sure thing? BTW, the boat is on a dual axle aluminum Magic Tilt trailer (if that makes a difference).

 

[wifisher]

Re: Should I try this?

Use the truck. That's why you own it.

If the boat is 2500, add a trailer, gas, and any other toys and you are over 3500 very quickly.

 

[LippCJ7]

Re: Should I try this?

I wouldn't, after gas gear and trailer your past the Honda's towing capacity, plus the wear and tear on the Honda. Your Silverado is much better built to handle the extra load of towing then the Honda is, just my opinion....

 

[Josh P]

Re: Should I try this?

i would use the truck also... as you add people in the vehicle you towing capacity goes down as well

 

[wifisher]

Re: Should I try this?

i would use the truck also... as you add people in the vehicle you towing capacity goes down as well

No it doesn't. Tow capacity and seating are two separate ratings.

Still. Use the truck.

 

[bowrider200]

Re: Should I try this?

Thank yall for the quick responses. I'm sure she will be a little bummed to hear this, but she seemed to forget about it on our first trip once we put in.

 

[LippCJ7]

Re: Should I try this?

its a truck thing, women just don't understand!!

 

[bowrider200]

Re: Should I try this?

its a truck thing, women just don't understand!!

I agree, maybe I can turn this into an opportunity to get a new 4 door. Or worst case, she will turn this into a chance for a bigger SUV.

 

[Robbabob]

Re: Should I try this?

Thank yall for the quick responses. I'm sure she will be a little bummed to hear this, but she seemed to forget about it on our first trip once we put in.

First of all, WELCOME ABOARD!

Yeah, use the truck. Keep everything pushed forward and held there with a cargo-bar of sorts.

Next option to discuss: trade the ext cab for 4-door :-D

 

[LippCJ7]

Re: Should I try this?

Hard to make a better argument for a four door pickup then boating

 

[bowrider200]

Re: Should I try this?

First of all, WELCOME ABOARD!

Yeah, use the truck. Keep everything pushed forward and held there with a cargo-bar of sorts.

Next option to discuss: trade the ext cab for 4-door :-D

Thanks Rob! And thanks again to everyone else! This is the first forum that I have been a member of and it amazes me how much info is out there and how quickly people respond to green-horns like myself. I would have probably bought a boat a lot sooner had I known about this site. Hopefully one day I will be able to return the favor.

 

[bowman316]

Re: Should I try this?

i had a ranger with jump seats in the back of the extended cab. Techinally you could seat 4, but the back to seats were not really seats.
Part of the reason why I got rid of it, and got an f-150 with a bench seat in the back.

I need to fit all of my crabbers in the truck for the hour trip down there.

 

[etracer68]

Re: Should I try this?

Aw heck, just get a Suburban, there great for the family, and tow rigs. I bought a new one in 99, still have it, with 209,000 miles on now, and still runs great, last year of the 350. Only problem was it took me 6 years to pay it off, at 500.00+ a month. Good thing the wife was working. And she liked driving it too.

 

[bowrider200]

Re: Should I try this?

I tried to get her in a Tahoe, but she liked the pilot better. The good thing about the Silverado is that it's paid for, but the Sea Ray would look good being pulled by a 4 door dually. Think I'm going to start working on that.

 

[NYBo]

Re: Should I try this?

its a truck thing, women just don't understand!!

My wife likes driving my Dakota.

 

[Pez Vela]

Re: Should I try this?

Your boat weighs 2,700 lbs. "dry" according to this (which you may have already seen). http://www.searay.com/boat_graphics/electronic_brochure/company1729/1C1_27_74DERNPY1704.pdf

The trailer weight makes a difference because your vehicle's tow rating includes the weight of the trailer, which is probably well less than 800 lbs. While you may be approaching the maximum rating for the Pilot, I wholeheartedly give you the green light to take the rig the admiral wants if you want to keep your "crew" happy. The truck is obviously the "better" tow vehicle, but that doesn't mean it's the only one that's suitable for the job.

 

[H20Rat]

Re: Should I try this?

No it doesn't. Tow capacity and seating are two separate ratings.

Still. Use the truck.

yes it does actually... gross vehicle weight rating (gvwr) is the max weight of the vehicle, passengers, and the load from the tongue. So that is indirectly affected by the towed load. Vehicles also have a max gross combined weight rating (gcwr), which is 9579# for the honda. This is the total weight going down the road, including trailer, fuel passengers, cargo...

If you load the honda with 6 american sized average adults (200 pounds) and 50 pounds of coolers/gear, the max tow capacity will be well under 4000 pounds.

You can't just look at the tow rating by itself without taking every other limiting factor into account. GVWR and GCWR are more important than the tow rating, which is just a result of subtracting those other numbers out. To remain safe, none of the 3 ratings should be exceeded.

 

[Beefer]

Re: Should I try this?

If you do try it, remember to have someone hold yer beer...

 

[wifisher]

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yes it does actually... gross vehicle weight rating (gvwr) is the max weight of the vehicle, passengers, and the load from the tongue. So that is indirectly affected by the towed load. Vehicles also have a max gross combined weight rating (gcwr), which is 9579# for the honda. This is the total weight going down the road, including trailer, fuel passengers, cargo...

If you load the honda with 6 american sized average adults (200 pounds) and 50 pounds of coolers/gear, the max tow capacity will be well under 4000 pounds.

You can't just look at the tow rating by itself without taking every other limiting factor into account. GVWR and GCWR are more important than the tow rating, which is just a result of subtracting those other numbers out. To remain safe, none of the 3 ratings should be exceeded.

Curb weight of a 2009 pilot is 4319. Add six 200 lb people, 150 pounds gear, and 300 pounds tongue weight, and you are just a touch under 6k pounds. GVWR is 6091.
Tow rating is 3500, which adds up to a GCWR of 9572.

You are correct that none of the three ratings should be exceeded, but tow rating is figured for a fully loaded vehicle. And tongue weight is not a towed load. Any weight that is supported by the suspension of the tow vehicle is part of that vehicle's load.

 

[bowrider200]

Re: Should I try this?

I think I'm going to go with the Chevy tomorrow, even though ole gentleman Jack is saying to try the Honda right now. I will definitely look further into it before trying the Pilot. Figuring 6 200lb adults would be overkill (me, the wife, and our 7 and 2 year old boys may reach 385lbs). So if the passenger weights are figured in we should be good.....right? I was just going off of the receiver having a 3500lb rating on it. Thanks again for the help!