Signature Finish paint test - Final Coat Applied.

[outonbizniz2]

Hi all..I used to be outonbizniz...password issue...so I'll use this one for a while.<br />On another board there was a post about a GREAT marine paint. Signature Finish <br /><br />For my 14 footer it will take about $360.00. This paint can be applied in almost any humidity condition and at down to 15 degrees. It will fill hairline cracks of the cosmetic type. It requires no primer. You can order ANY color by telling them what brand and color you like. It has been featured on Ship Shape.<br /><br />All of this is nice but here's the kicker: This paint offers mirror shine above AND BELOW the waterline. They claim that it will never blister/peel from being left in the water (salt included..although it will foul). This paint has also been used on hot tubs without issue.<br /><br />I'm very excited about this as I don't want to use bottom paint and also don't want to worry about getting my boat out of the water if I want to leave it in for a couple of weeks on vacation.

 

[Admin5]

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Sorry but this post is too much solicitous. please take bizniz elsewhere. (was I funny? )<br /><br />Update: bizniz has just informed me that he is not part of this company. I appologize for coming down on him so hard. Please note that I kept his original post and link.

 

[CTD]

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Anytime I see a paint using a catalist I worry about exposure. If you use this or any paint for that matter be sure to read the instructions. If is says to use a respirator use a new one, if it says use supplied air respirator, use it. Some of the new paints can be deadly.

 

[ahein]

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Todd,
Have you actually used the Signature Finish paint yet? I am very interested in this product after visiting their website and reading that it was designed to be applied outdoors and under cooler conditions than other marine paints. I am painting my 24' WACC this year and I don't want to wait around until June for the temperature to warm to 70 degrees. I'll be painting my boat outside because it's too big to get into my garage. This product sounds ideal for my situation but I'd like to get some feedback from people who have used it. Curious to know how the finish came out for a do-it-yourselfer, and any problems you encountered, or tips you could share, while using it.
You can email me at ahein@ if you like to communicate privately.
Thanks,
Andy Heinemann

 

[mutron77]

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Yes, I am interested too. I have been to their site , but I thought it strange that they didn't have a color chart or list any of their colors.<br />They say a few strange things too like "Leave the surface dirty, it is easier to see which areas have been sanded"<br />So, this better be a miracle paint.<br />A 50 square foot, three coat kit that comes with the brushing thinner, and requires no primer is only slightly more than a quart of Interthane plus.<br />So add to that the time you save priming and sanding and priming and it looks pretty attractive.<br />H90

 

[mellowyellow]

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snake paint? LOL<br />NOTHING replaces good prep in painting IMO.

 

[snapperbait]

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I used signature a long time ago when the guy who "invented" it was selling the stuff out of the back of his van at the B&A flea market in Stuart.. The guy used to paint everything with it, and I do mean everything... Cars, boats, his van, motorhomes, even his tennis shoes.... No B.S.<br /><br />It was pretty good stuff then, probably still is.....

 

[BillP]

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My faded memory tells me this is relabeled from Sterling Paint Co.(manufactured in West Palm, FL). Has anyone checked the specs against Sterling? Commercial marine yards have used Sterling to paint high end yachts for years and years. Very well regarded.

 

[ratherbefishin]

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No matter what paint you use, and no matter what the manufacturor claims, I still figure the best way to help ensure a good recoating job is to strip the old finish rightdown to the substrate- and this is where all the work is- plus the cause of most paint failures.Chemical removal is the simplest but traditional chemical removers have their own problems- not the least of is damage to gelcoats, plus the fact most are MC based makingthem really nasty stuff.The new generation chemical strippers are water based, don't damage gelcoats,no fumes and don't burn your skin-plus they work very efficiently eliminating followup sanding or scraping[ around rivets are a typical challenge]Check out www napierenvironmental.com for thier product line-plus there are other companies emerging with similarlines, although Napier seems to be the frontrunner

 

[ahein]

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Thanks for the tip, BillP. I checked the Sterling paint spec's (now distributed by Detco) and they seem to very close, if not identical. Both linear polyurethane paints (Signature & Sterling) use a thinning agent, or evaporator, to assist in drying the paint. Both claim they can be applied in less than 50 degree temperature, and outdoors. This fits my conditions perfectly. All the other paint manufacturers I've checked with don't recommend using their products in less than 50 degrees. Where I come from, it doesn't reach ideal painting conditions (70 degrees) until June. If I wait that long, I will miss a whole month of fishing! <br />BTW, I recognize the importance of good preparation to achieve a good paint job. SAND, SAND, SAND !! I plan to spend the next couple of months getting the boat ready for the finish coat. I was looking for any information from past users, or others, that have any experience with Signature paint. I guess I'll buy a small quantity and try it for myself.

 

[ratherbefishin]

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Why''sand,sand,sand'', when you can spray or brush on a chemical stripper, leave it overnight and power wash it off?This stuff is being used by companies like Bombardier to strip light rail cars, and Akzo Nobel is using it by the bucketload for aircraft stripping.You can bet your boots if it didn't work, they wouldn't be using it

 

[outonbizniz2]

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I am making my purchase this Friday. I will have to wait for warmer weather before I can use it. This morning it was -5.

 

[play2win]

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What is this chemical stripper you are speaking of? I am ready to start the long, hard, tedious job of sanding - is chemical stripping legit? And yes, someone tell me about this miracle paint. I am re-doing my entire boat, and do not want to wait until summer to paint! This product sounds perfect to me as well. After chemical stripping, follow up with some fine sanding?

 

[ratherbefishin]

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go to www.napierenvironmental.com check out the website and give them a call.<br /> We are so used to just considering sanding and scraping as the traditional method of preparing to recoat that we don't realise there are very efficient and less labour intensive alternatives.<br /> Basically, all you do with this stuff is spray or brush it on, leave it over night, and power wash it off.It is water based, not solvent based and is temperature sensitive so you need a day when isn't freezing.<br /> To contain the removed paint,lay down landscapingcloth with filters the paint residue and allows the solution[ which is biodegradable] to go through-no containment is necceasry.The advantages include using a non toxic chemical that has no noxious fumes and doesn't require any special protective clothing or breathing apparatus.It doesn't burn exposed skin as MC based strippers do.<br /> Some boat yards prohibit sanding, especially for toxic anti fouling paint, and have stringent containment rules,and these new generation strippers adress those concerns- but check out the website and see for yourself.

 

[ahein]

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I have no choice but to fill and sand. I am painting over gelcoat and must fix several imperfections (dings, scratches, etc) that my boat has aquired over the years (stupid docks ). A chemical stripper, while fine for removing old finishes applied over a perfect underlayment, would not really save me any time and would actually be an added expense. Sanding, while time-consuming, is a necessary evil, and relatively inexpensive.<br />Outtobizniz, I hear ya, it's been unusually cold up here in the Northeast this winter. I hope to start painting around the third week of April if we can catch some decent temps. Good luck with your project, and I hope to hear about your results later this Spring in this post.

 

[ratherbefishin]

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True-there is no one solution to every application,but I see a great deal of time and effort being expended when the job can be done more easily and efficiently.A walk through any marina generally has lots of examples of ''defered maintenance'' and one can only surmise the main reason isn't just repainting- it's the tedious but very neccesary procedure leading up to it.If using a chemical stripper can make the job easier, plus help ensure a successful recoating job easier-so be it.The thing about most of us, we tend to to just grin and bare it,rather than explore new technology.The biggest drawback to chemical stripping is the traditional MC based strippers- really nasty stuff, and peole will avoid using that stuff-for good reason.<br /> Obviously, once a hull is stripped any dings and damage can easily be seen and repaired, before recoating<br /> The new generation strippers address those concerns- you can actually put them on with your fingers if you so wish.

 

[outonbizniz2]

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I made my purchase of Signature Finish today. I should get it by the end of next week. Hopefully it will warm up enough so that I can paint soon. I will post more pics of prep work next week on http://www.picturetrail.com/outonbizniz .<br /><br />Have a good weekend!

 

[BillP]

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Todd, <br />Are you spraying or roller/brushing? <br /><br />If the surface is in good condition the only reason to strip down is if it is too thick, losing bond, breaking loose, not compatable, etc. If the surface is still good a light sanding to break the surface is the only sanding needed. Regardless of what the advertising says, stripped surfaces still need a fair amount of prep to be ready for paint.

 

[outonbizniz2]

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Bill,<br />I am using brush and roller. I have the sanding part pretty much covered. I've been sanding and repairing and sanding for the last 10 months.

 

[Speakrdude]

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I talked with Joe??? today at Signature Paint and I must say also say, its sounds almost too good to be true. My boat is 28' long. To paint the whole thing including the bottom, he quoted $750-$800.00
I sure would like to hear from one of you guys with experience first...

Feel free to email me at Spe\\\.com

Thanks,

Jim