Slow to get out of hole and WOT RPM too high

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Hi. First post here. Hope I don't mess it up. I read the sticky on prop postings; hope I remember everything.

We have a 1992 Hydra Sports 22' center console fishing boat. It has a deep V, hard chime hull. I don't know the weight. It takes forever to get out of the hole and WOT is running close to 7000 rpm if you allow it, which equates to about 40-44 mph.

It has 225 or 250 hp (we really aren't sure) Mercury carbureted 2 stroke (where you mix the oil in the gas, not direct injected). Mechanic says engine is in excellent shape, good compression, rebuilt carbs, etc. The prop says 1916P19 Quicksilver. It is a 3 blade aluminum prop. I am assuming this means 19 inch diameter, 16 pitch?

This thing won't get out of the hole for . . . ever and seems to be over-revving at WOT. Any thoughts on ways to improve this with a prop change? Any help would be appreciate. Thank you.
 

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I would verify if the tack is accurate first. I would also verify that the engine isn't mounted too high on the Transom for the design of Prop you are using. Normally an engine that hits 7000, would have the boat standing on its Transom when the Throttle is applied
I have never seen a non-oil injection 250hp, the only years for a non-oil injected 225 were 1980 and 1981. Mercs Oil Injection was really a Premixing system that put the Oil into the gas prior to the Carb, or EFI . Direct Injection is used in Optimax where fuel is injected directly into the combustion chamber. On those engine Oil is injected into the crankcase to oil the bearings
A serial # will help Identify what the engine is
 
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Thanks for the reply jimmbo. There is no serial number on the motor. At least I don't think so. We have looked and looked. I wish I knew more.
 

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Thanks for the reply jimmbo. There is no serial number on the motor. At least I don't think so. We have looked and looked. I wish I knew more.

outboards without serial numbers should be assumed stolen unless proved otherwise. you really need to chisel the serial number plate off and replace the welsh plug in the motor
 
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What is a welsh motor plug. My 18 yr old son bought this boat with money he earned landscaping off of Facebook marketplace. How can I tell if the motor is stolen without a serial number, maybe that is he point. I can see someone stealing a 25 hp, but this thing must weight 500 lbs. He did get a title with the boat.
 

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We need more information like what are your RPMs doing during the "shot"....coming up slowly, steadily, as the boat picks up speed, or jump up to like 3k right off and just keeps increasing to your 7k top end number? You quoted speed numbers but were they actual or WAGs?

To get some hard numbers in an attempt to answer your questions, we need: Engine RPM, prop pitch, indicated speed, and gear ratio. With firm numbers one can calculate prop slip and get an idea as to whether or not things make sense and if not, where to look for the source of the problem. There are prop slip calculators online; Mercury or Go-fast.com are two sources but you need to know the gear ratio of your lower unit to use them. They are a big help in understanding where you are but need data to work.
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My association with Mercury engines is that the serial number and model information are on a weather resistant decal placed on the transom clamp bracket easily viewed from the right (starboard) side of the engine while at the rear (stern) of the boat. My association with the Welch plug is with the cowling off, standing on the left (port) side of the engine, at the transom, one would look for an aluminum (round) disc, mounted in an alcove in the engine block about the size of a US quarter dollar coin, would contain the serial number. If you find the alcove, with the plug missing, then it has also been removed and one has to suspect that the engine is as specified.....which is another subject.
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The last three characters on your prop tell me that its 19P, 19" pitch, moving forward 19" per revolution if a screw turning in wood. In water there is slip involved and it doesn't move the same distance per rev. as in a solid, as the prop is stamped. We'll assume that your tach is telling the truth, but it may be set to the wrong number thus counting more RPMs that actually exist....setting on the rear of the unit and correct setting per engine used is in manufacturer's data, sometimes published online. At 7k RPMs, your engine would be screaming.....BTDT, but if the prop is ventilating at WOT it could happen.
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Your "hole shot" comments, assuming that you "firewalled" the throttle for the shot, "seem to indicate" too much pitch or not the right trim angle for the "rig" (boat, engine, setup, load and distribution). Decreasing pitch (having correct engine height) would go to correct that, or using a prop with "ports" like a Mercury Laser II to name one of many, which have the same effect as having a lower pitched prop durning the shot.
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Since you have no engine ID, you can figure out your gear ratio by pulling the spark plugs to reduce drag, mark a spot on the flywheel against a fixed object and mark the propeller against some fixed object. In F gear, rotate the flywheel, keeping track of movements until the prop has completed one 360* revolution. Measure the amount of flywheel rotation. My records indicate that engines of that size of the day were running 1.75:1 or 1.87:1 gear ratio, meaning that the power head turned that many turns for one complete revolution of the prop. If you don't have a "Protractor" $ General sells them with a "compass circle drawing instrument" in a package for a few bucks. Figuring the angle on the second rotation, it's .75 x 360* or .87 x 360* for the angle to measure in getting your number.
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I agree that your engine may be too high on the transom and you are "ventilating" at high rpms. This could manifest itself it your hole shot fails the rpm test I mentioned earlier. Some pictures would help like a side view with a yard stick up against the hull at the transom, extending on back past the engine, with the engine in a vertical position with the boat level on the trailer. Also a rear view looking straight at the stern, engine vertical as before, taken with the camera about a foot and a half to two feet off the ground.

Give us that and your gear ratio, answering the question as to the actual speed vs what you posted and we can go from there.
 

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Look for some other numbers on that prop. Perhaps on the inner casting behind the nut that holds it on. A 16”x19” prop would be a rare thing, if such a thing even exists off the shelf.
Really needs lots of thought with this issue you are seeing, because poor acceleration combined with sky high top end rpm in the extreme, like you have mentioned rarely or never happen at the same time, all else being well.
 

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A slow hole shot COMBINED with a high rpm at WOT is an oxymoron. Unless maybe the Outdrive is in the trailer position.?

Somting is wong.
 

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A slow hole shot COMBINED with a high rpm at WOT is an oxymoron. Unless maybe the Outdrive is in the trailer position.?

Somting is wong.

You put it better than I did above Jim. Straight to the point ! Haha.
 
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I can add, this boat is very "tippy" under way. It is extremely hard to trim out. It tends to ride to one side or the other and tip back and forth over the middle point quickly. Does that help? Really appreciate all the thoughts.
 

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Let me clarify.

Jim mentions you may be in trailer position, and you mention its "tippy"

What youbare describing makes sense if your drive is too high.

Have the trim all the way in (down) when you hit the throttle for the holeshot. As the boat is climbing the hole, simultaneously start trimming up. Once you are up on plane, adjust your trim up until you start to porpoise.....then tap it down just a bit.

You should be using the PTT button often
 

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is a partially spun hub in the prop. Is it possible that the hub inside the prop is slipping? That would give you a crappy holeshot and excessive rpm at WOT.
 

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The symptoms could be from the use of a prop intended for engines smaller than the V6, They would Ventilate at Holeshot, and never hook up at speed, unless they were lntended for that type of Setup
 

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The symptoms could be from the use of a prop intended for engines smaller than the V6, They would Ventilate at Holeshot, and never hook up at speed, unless they were lntended for that type of Setup

Also a good point but the meaning of the 16 in the prop ID number offered, if really the diameter, as odd as it is??????????
 

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The P19, likely means Pitch,1916 could be referring to a Line/Model of Props. A pic of the prop mounted on the engine(several from various angles would help as a Good View might get taken) may reveal additional info
 

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What is a welsh motor plug. My 18 yr old son bought this boat with money he earned landscaping off of Facebook marketplace. How can I tell if the motor is stolen without a serial number, maybe that is he point. I can see someone stealing a 25 hp, but this thing must weight 500 lbs. He did get a title with the boat.

Welsh plug with Serial #, located on the Block
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If that's the current prop that came witht the motor it's a 28 year oldie prop. If so perform a hub slip test to rule that out. If shot there's the culprit.

Happy Boating
 
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Thanks Guys. We live inland, so I will have to get it in the water and work on this. Appreciate all the ideas!
 

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I can add, this boat is very "tippy" under way. It is extremely hard to trim out. It tends to ride to one side or the other and tip back and forth over the middle point quickly. Does that help? Really appreciate all the thoughts.

That's called "chine walking". The chine is where the bottom meets the side of the boat. I only had one boat chine walk, a 1988 Ranger Fisherman with a Merc 115 hp, with a "pad" hull, like their bass boats.....a pad hull is a V hull with a flat surface at the centerline, running roughly half the length of the boat ending at the stern (rear).......Designed for minimum wetted surface at higher speeds to reduce hull-water drag and allow for increased speed.

I was on my maiden voyage with the prop the dealer thought was right for the boat. I was at full trim (up) and making my first WOT (wide open throttle) run. At 55 mph it started doing that and scared me as I had never been that fast nor experienced such. I figured I exceeded the performance envelope for that hull and quickly tucked the trim in which increased the drag, lowering the speed and stabilizing the boat. On my way home I swapped the prop for one of less pitch that was better suited to my usage and didn't allow me to achieve that speed.....again.
 
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