Small Gel Coat Crack

mjgates

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Cleaning today and found a small Gel Coat crack. Deep enough to cause concern. Wondering if this is something I should try to tackle myself or pay someone to patch. I have no experience with hull repairs. If I should pay someone, what would be a fair market price? I want to know a little before going to have it checked out so I know if they are trying to screw me over or not. Pics aren't super clear, but enough to get the idea of the crack. Boat is a 1999 Sea Ray 210 Bowrider.

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cannonfodder

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

Looks like you got a lot more than a crack to worry about.Is that blistering I see in the pics??
 

mjgates

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

No, those are actually water drops. I just finished washing it when I noticed the crack and took the pics. I double checked and no blistering. Just the crack, although the crack it poking out a little.
 

cannonfodder

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

In that case it looks like it got struck from the inside to make such a short crack. Look at the inside for damage maybe.
 

mjgates

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

I just tapped around with a screwdriver and about 4" behind the crack I get a hollow sound, about 6 inches long and about 8 inches wide. Then it sounds solid again. Other side sounds solid all around. This is right at the back seat around the area my fuel tank is. I doubt I will be lucky enough that this is a natural void. And I can only imagine this would be a very pricey repair.
 

mjgates

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

Maybe not 8" wide, probably 4" after further inspection. This was not there last year. I had a marine Surveyor check it out and had a couple gel coat repairs done, and it was thoroughly inspected top to bottom at that time. I was actually able to get under it and look it top to bottom. They had it jacked up to do the repairs, which were very minor, and drilled into the wood to make sure there was no rot. They were in a completely different area and were more hairline cracks compared to the one I now have. I wonder if insurance would cover the repair, minus my deductible of course, since this was caused by some sort of damage. I did look inside. can't even get to that area of the boat from this inside. If facing the bow, it is on the left side right around the middle of the back seat. Only positive is there are no blisters. It's smooth as a baby's bottom other than the gel crack.
 

BWT

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

It sounds like you may be looking at a void in the gelcoat; Either that or there could be a screw poking through from the interior. If it is indeed a void, it's a fairly simple repair. The way I would check this would be to take a screwdriver and by hand press the tip into the crack. If it's a void, the gel layer will push in and chip without too much pressure, if not, then it's probably something coming through form the inside.

ASSUMING (famous last words) it's a void, you'll want to chip out all the gelcoat that is not bonded really well, sand the entire void with 80 grit and taper the edges around the area. Give a good wipe down with acetone to clean and use some type of polyester based filler (either thickened gelcoat, or a produect that I use quite a bit is called Adtech (which is essentially a gelcoat paste).

Fill in the void and sand flush (actually just a little shy of what the finished surface should be). There's a good chance you can get some color matched gelcoat from Spectrumcolor.com (they sell a little 2oz. touch up kit); if not you can try mixing the color yourself or just use the white gelcoat out of the can if you're not concerned about matching color. Add the hardener (roughly 15 drops Mek-P) per ounce of gelcoat and brush the gelcoat over the sanded area (I would do it in a few coats rather than try and lay it up thick enough in one round; it will tend to run). Each coat usually flashes off in 5-10 minutes (faster if you put a heat lamp to it. Warm, but not hot)). After it flashes (feels sticky, but no longer runny and hasn't cured) apply the next coat. If you do this 2 or three times you'll have enough laid up. After the last coat flashes, spray over the patch with PVA (poly vinyl acetate) with a throw away sprayer (Prevailer) that you can get at any auto store.

The next day wipe the PVA off with some warm water and take a sanding block with some 600 grit and wet sand everything down until it's ALMOST flush with the surrounding surface. Then progressivly work through the finer grits until you get to 1200 or so and everything is nice and fare. A quick buff and you're good as new. If you have to buy all the materials, it will probably run you around $50.. Hope this helps! Good luck
 

mjgates

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

Thanks BWT. That gives a sigh of relief that it could be something simple. My day went from on top of the world cleaning the boat with the kids, to taking a turn for the worse real quick as I assumed the worse case scenario.
 

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

Looks like a screw poking through as BWT put it.

Normally Voids will not star crack..they will be more circular ( crack on the edges of the void ).

The only thing that caught my eye is the water staining in pic 1. Is that coming from the repair ?

I agree with BWT on this.

YD.
 

mjgates

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

Just got back from having the boat looked at it. The crack is a screw poking through, with no water damage. i also showed him the rot that was showing where the battery hole is in the wood back by the engine. Apparently, that is one large piece of wood all the way across. To fix the gel crack, grind down or back out the screw, and replace the entire back piece, treated with west marine system, for $500. Does that seem to be a fair market price? aid what appeared to be the water line mentioned before was where the boat was cleaned with an acidic hull cleaner, then only waxed down to that line. It actually looks like it was waxed from that point up. So I was happy to hear him say that's what it was as I was going off of cosmetics alone.
 

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

To fix the gel crack, grind down or back out the screw, and replace the entire back piece, treated with west marine system, for $500. Does that seem to be a fair market price?

Depends on what they are going to do. I would take a die grinder..grind out the repair/with the tip of the screw ( gonna need to do that anyways ) .. fill it with some fiberglass filler. Then preval some gel and sand and polish ).

500 Bucks seems kinda rich to me. Its treated just as a small void or chip. .. Just because you have the words Screw poppin through does not mean that repair would be treated any differently then an air void or chip. Its the same grinder/filler/process and finish .. but 200 bucks more lol.. just because its a "screw" ..

YD.
 

mjgates

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

He is charging $200 for the screw and gel coat. Then $300 to replace the big piece of wood in the stern around the engine with oak, poxy it, and recarpet. Same carpet, just removing and replacing. Seemed reasonable. But I'm no expert. It is worth a few bucks not to make those 2 items a project and get on the water. I just want to make sure I'm not getting raked at the same time.
 

Woodonglass

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

I gotta agree with YD. $300 oughta be enough for the whole job. That crack is a real basic repair for a pro.
 

BWT

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

I don't know that I can say that he's over charging you (maybe a little on the gel repair, but the time and materials for the wood seem somewhat reasonable; there's a fair amount of putzy time involved). Personally I would do the gel repair myself and save that $$, and consider having them do the wood part. I am confident it's something you could do yourself, however if time is an issue then it may be worth having them do it. Just my 2 cents....
 

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

He is charging $200 for the screw and gel coat. Then $300 to replace the big piece of wood in the stern around the engine with oak, poxy it, and recarpet. Same carpet, just removing and replacing. Seemed reasonable. But I'm no expert. It is worth a few bucks not to make those 2 items a project and get on the water. I just want to make sure I'm not getting raked at the same time.

It seems like he is mitigating 2 repairs at the same time ( Very common in pro shops ).

Basically Down time will kill a glass shop..so if he can grind/fill..then peel carpet ..cut wood and coat..then jump back to fair/prep/spray gel .. then jump back to final shape wood and install with carpet ..then jump back to the gel repair and DA it and buff it and call it a day.. .. Yea he Might do this in 5 hours.. even if he does it in 6-7 its a good day.

Your Not getting screwed on the combination of the 2 repairs.

He would actually be getting more screwed if you told him to not do job B and just do job A at the same 200 bucks. .. IMO..

Unless he is already repairing a SR at the same time...with the same gel..

I hope this helps you understand how glass shops work and there " timing " ;) .

YD.
 

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Re: Small Gel Coat Crack

Good way to put it YD..
 
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