So she brings a boat home...

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My wife decided to purchase this 77 or 79 20' WINNER, Model unknown, with a merc 1400 (140HP) outboard. She paid 1100 for it. I know next to nothing about boats nor does she, and this boat is in dire need of help. I'd post a pic but I'm having a local shop check out the motor and fuel tank. The boat sat for a year but the owner said the motor did run last time it was used. We desire (or should I say she) to water ski with it. I'll probably do a little fishing with it as well but it's got a v-shaped hull so I doubt I'll get to close to shore with it.<br /><br />The previous owners have removed quite a few rails and other screws that hold down the windscreen. They were going to paint boat and never did. I tried to return some of the rails to it's rightful place and the holes don't seem to really hold the screws well. Which brings me to my first question.<br /><br /> What is the best way to repair fiberglass screw holes?<br /><br />My Second problem has to do with the deck. I removed the deck cover above the fuel tank because I noticed the wood was soft and of course it turned out to be rotted.<br /><br /> What type of wood should be used to repair the deck?<br /><br />A friend mentioned Pressure treated plywood (which was my first thought as well), but I keep hearing people talk about glassing stuff over?<br /><br />The gas tank itself appears to have been replaced in 1997 with a plastic tank.<br /><br />My position lights are currently in-op and I'm pretty sure I can repair that with no problem. I've got some history in electrical wiring.<br /><br />There doesn't appear to be a bilge pump. The hull itself appears to be in great shape though a little faded. There are some gel coat cracks around the drain plug receiver. I was told that since the drain plug receiver itself isn't loose there is nothing to really worry about?<br /><br /> Is this true?<br /><br />The motor wouldn't turn over but there was no gas in the tank either. When I pressed the electric choke, I heard a click, then when I turned the key I could hear the starter spin.<br /> I'm guessing this is good news?<br /><br />There doesn't seem to be an oil injector so I'm guessing I have to mix oil with gas. I'm told it's a 3oz to 1 gallon of gas, is this correct?<br /><br />The fin below the prop has had a piece broken off of it. The prop itself has a nic in one blade but otherwise looks brand new.<br /><br />The boat only has one battery in it. It has no radio (marine or AM/FM) no frills really. Just a tach and a speedometer.<br /><br /><br />Any other suggestion/comments you might have would be great.
 

mellowyellow

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Re: So she brings a boat home...

welcome abaord ;) <br />if the motor runs, you have your $1100.00 right<br />there. I sold an older '70 merc 115HP for that<br />this past spring, but she was CHERRY!<br />if all the motor needs is regular maint., expect<br />to pay close to what the whole boat cost.<br />BOAT= bring on another thousand<br />once you have power to push her, then worry bout<br />the boat.<br />on a good note, that motor has a good rep. and<br />is VERY popular.<br />good luck,<br />M.Y.
 
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I'll have to tell my wife what boat really means :) <br /><br />Thanks for the encoraging words about the motor. I have a shop manual, so once I get comfortable with it, I may do some of the maintennce myself.
 

thejeepster02

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If its like my wife..it will be your boat until its done!!<br /><br />I think she did alright.<br />if the wood isnt rotted and the holes are small I had good luck with a marine epoxy in a puddy form. I bought at wal-mart for about 3 bucks.
 

petrolhead

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Repair the deck with marine ply, it'll last longer than any other type, pressure treated is just meant to resist the kind of rot found in a land based environment, great for building sheds maybe but not for a boat deck.<br />Is the existing deck painted, or glassed over, how do you intend to finish it? If it's a natural wood finish you could use Mahogany marine ply and just varnish it, if you use cheaper Douglas-fir ply you'll need to glass it to stop it checking then paint it.<br />For filling screw holes epoxy filler is the stuff to use, if you drill the old holes out oversize and fill the new holes with epoxy you can refit the screws in the same place if you want to.
 
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The existing deck is carpeted, the only piece that I found rotted was that covering the fuel tank.<br /><br />As far as the finish goes, I kept the carpeting that was on the rotted piece and was thinking of using that to cover the replacement board. Where can I find marine ply?
 

mellowyellow

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again, before you spend anything on the boat,<br />wait to see about motor. ask for an inspection/<br />estimate, then come back here for help. if u r good<br />with a wrench... $1,000 will become about $300<br />in parts (free labor) if'n u do yurself.
 

dcpcccrc

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you cant work on the boat till your sure you have the power you dont want to have a nice boat with no motor it will cost to much to have a major motor problem fixed or to get a new motor make sure that ones good before dumping money elsewhere <br /> i wish my wife would bring me a boat i always have to go get my own
 
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inspection estimate has been asked for, hopefully know something in a few days.<br /><br />dcpcccrc, boat's aren't really my thing. Airplanes are, I wonder what she's gonna do when I come home with a cessna or a mooney.
 

petrolhead

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I agree, get the motor sorted before you do anything else. Regarding buying marine ply, perhaps someone nearer to you (in the same country at least!) can advise on that?
 

petrolhead

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jsfinn

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Re: So she brings a boat home...

Man..I brought a boat home and she told me to take it back!<br /><br /> :)
 

Boomyal

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Originally posted by jsfinn:<br /> Man..I brought a boat home and she told me to take it back!<br /><br /> :)
I hope you sent her back to where she came from JS! ;)
 

Ralph 123

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The fin below the prop has had a piece broken off of it. The prop itself has a nic in one blade but otherwise looks brand new
The shop may say you need a new one welded on (it's called a Skeg) for like $300 but you can fix it yourself for about $100 and 10 minutes of labor. You can find them on ebay... just search for skeggard
 

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OK>>I noticed no one mentioned a few other things so I thought I would offer a few words here.<br /><br />1-DON'T EVER START AN OUTBOARD without cooling water! A hose hookup(called earmuffs by most) or a tank. You'll blow the water pump in a second or two>>the pump impeller is made of a rubber, and must have water.<br />2- check the transome, or have the mechanic check the transome for rot. If the engine is good & the transome is rotted, it could be a very short first ride (and very dangerous).<br />3-READ AND ASK ALOT OF QUESTIONS HERE!!! Man, I learned more on this site then 20 years of casual boating.<br />4- I used MARINE-TEX epoxy paste to fill screw holes in my boat & the stuff is great.<br />5-I am not sure about the oil mix on your engine>>>on my 1978 Johnson 115hp its 50:1>>>1pint oil to 6 gals gas.<br />6- BUY THE MOONEY!!! :D (I love a good low wing high performance cruiser)<br />GOOD LUCK!!!
 

phatmanmike

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its not worth it. just junk it, youll save yourself some money and time.<br /><br />i can dispose of it properly for free.<br /><br />send motor to: mike black<br /> 1439 21st street sw<br /> largo, fl 33770<br /><br />i hate to see a good, hard working man just throw money away! let me do it for you :)
 
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Originally posted by Boilermaker:<br /> OK>>I noticed no one mentioned a few other things so I thought I would offer a few words here.<br /><br />1-DON'T EVER START AN OUTBOARD without cooling water! A hose hookup(called earmuffs by most) or a tank. You'll blow the water pump in a second or two>>the pump impeller is made of a rubber, and must have water.<br />2- check the transome, or have the mechanic check the transome for rot. If the engine is good & the transome is rotted, it could be a very short first ride (and very dangerous).<br />3-READ AND ASK ALOT OF QUESTIONS HERE!!! Man, I learned more on this site then 20 years of casual boating.<br />4- I used MARINE-TEX epoxy paste to fill screw holes in my boat & the stuff is great.<br />5-I am not sure about the oil mix on your engine>>>on my 1978 Johnson 115hp its 50:1>>>1pint oil to 6 gals gas.<br />6- BUY THE MOONEY!!! :D (I love a good low wing high performance cruiser)<br />GOOD LUCK!!!
1: Know about the earmuffs :) <br /><br />5: I think that was the ratio that I found listed on the web. Someone said 3 oz oil to gallon of gas? Maybe I should look a little deeper. Maybe call up mercury or talk to the mechanic.<br /><br />6. I'm hoping for a mooney or a V-tail Bonanza but they are really pipe dreams, right now.
 
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Originally posted by Ralph:<br />
The fin below the prop has had a piece broken off of it. The prop itself has a nic in one blade but otherwise looks brand new
The shop may say you need a new one welded on (it's called a Skeg) for like $300 but you can fix it yourself for about $100 and 10 minutes of labor. You can find them on ebay... just search for skeggard
Good Info, thanks! I'll post a picture of the skegard when I get the boat back. I really don't think all that much is missing
 
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