Something about U Joints

dakine

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So, I pulled the DP-S drive on my new used boat to check it out during winterization.
The U joints were making a bit of noise.
Volvo is very specific in their shop manual that you must use genuine, high quality Volvo parts or you will go to Volvo hell.

So, I take the thing abpar and inspect the u joints.
First thing I notice is they say "Made in Singapore" a well known bastion of high quality stuff(?).
Turns out the rollers in the joint were just fine but the ends of the trunnions were worn by nearly .050" allowing the spider to slide back and forth on each revolution making a clicking sound.

Now for replacements.
Not wanting some more genuine "Made in Singapore" parts I did some homework.
The dimensions of the joints are identical to a readily available Spicer part.
Volvo wanted big dollars, the "Made in USA" Spicers were $16 each.
Primary difference to the eye is the Spicers have more but smaller rollers.

Fortunantly, I have a good friend who is the head of powertrain engineering at GM.
His take on the difference is that the bigger rollers in the Volvo part will take a higher shock load but the smaller rollers will have a longer life.

Two points
First, the shock load on a boat is not even in the same league as a 4wd dancing over rocks or a car that is slammed from reverse to forward at speed.
Second, a stock small block in a boat doesn't stress the u joints at a fraction of their design.

The Spicer part is in their catalog as a part supplied to Mercruiser.
I disassembled the bearings, cleaned them thoroughly and relubed them with Amsoil synthetic race grease.
It took a bit of time but I have more of that than money.

Genuine Volvo parts my kapootie.
Maybe, if I was running a supercharged big block, I would want joints with the larger rollers to take the shock load when I came out of the water at 100mph.
But, I sure wouldn't want the "made in Singapore" things that do not even have grease channels in the ends of the caps!
 

Don S

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Re: Something about U Joints

How do you know the old ujoints were original. I've worked on Volvos (and a certifed Volvo tech) and have never seen (Made in Sinapore) on any ujoints from Volvo.
Are these ujoints with the inside C clip type keeper or cir clip on the outside of the cap?
 

EddiePetty

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.......His take on the difference is that the bigger rollers in the Volvo part will take a higher shock load but the smaller rollers will have a longer life.

...and to the contrary, the smaller diameter rollers permit more rollers for the given space thus providing a larger bearing contact area to more equally spread the load, resulting in a smoother and cooler running bearing. Please remember the deflection angles of an outdrive FAR exceeds those encountered in normal automotive applications.;)

To resolve your Sinapore theory, stop by your local, friendly dealer and ask to sell a new OEM u-joint (I'm with Don S.).

FWIW....Ed in 'ol Virginny:)
 

superpop

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Re: Something about U Joints

I threw the spicers on my last boat and they worked like a champ. Old school drive line guy that put them on my joint said the spicers are fine. And made in the USA as far as I know.
 

zbnutcase

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Re: Something about U Joints

Change 'em on schedule and you wont have a prob with any of them. 'nutcase
 

dakine

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Re: Something about U Joints

How do you know the old ujoints were original. I've worked on Volvos (and a certifed Volvo tech) and have never seen (Made in Sinapore) on any ujoints from Volvo.
Are these ujoints with the inside C clip type keeper or cir clip on the outside of the cap?

Don
I don't know that the joints I took out are original.
The original owner of the boat said they were.
The trunnion has c clips on the inside.

As far as the comment about more rollers.
My very experienced engineer friend says the situation is more complicated than the line contact footprint. He does this for a living so I trust his input. I think the well known Rockwell heavy duty pieces have the larger rollers.

Anyway, the $16 pieces are fine with me. Volvo is an international company and often these outfits source components globally in batches. One time they may be from here and another from there. Low bidder situation. You can't get the genuine Volvo piece online you have to get it from your authorized Volvo distributor. Full retail with the extra boat part markup.

According to my powertrain engineer friend, the synthetic grease I used is a bigger factor in life than the design differences. U joint manufacturers can't use this grease because it is incompatible with what is available to most mechanics have in their grease guns.

Only at Joe's Garage (my shop) do we have four grease guns containing different stuff.
 

Don S

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Re: Something about U Joints

I still think you are making a bunch of wild assumptions. I have been working on Volvos for 20+ years, and NEVER once seen where any of the ujoints were stamped "Made in Singapore" ....... they never say anything.

Only at Joe's Garage (my shop) do we have four grease guns containing different stuff.

I doubt it, we have at least 8 guns at work. All with different lubes in them for specific purposes.

If you take a look at the OEM ujoints from Volvo, Merc, OMC, and anyone else, you will find they have many, very small diameter needles compared to some automotive ujoint with a few of larger diameter.
 

rodbolt

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Re: Something about U Joints

while I hear romours that a VP number exists for a ujoint on the DP-S drive if you check the tech bullitens they are not offered for the US market and if needed you buy a shaft assy.
like DonS I am a certified volvo tech only not yet retired.
not old enough :) :).
however I do carry a personal liability insurance for 3 million and I only install what the manufacturer says.
that way if it fails 25 or more miles offshore no one can say well the cheaper part came from XX and you installed it and now I want money.
 

dakine

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Re: Something about U Joints

Don

I never said that these are for sure OEM original.
I do know that neither Saab or Volvo makes their own ujoints.
A shop that pays as much attention to detail as yours with 8 grades of grease is one I would use. Most don't.


The u joints I discarded had 24 rollers the Spicers I got have 31.

And, just for correctness, a two ujoint assembly like in an outdrive without an intermediate shaft is called a double Cardan joint. The two joints cncel out the angular velocity variation that occurs with a single ujoint operating at an angle.

The joy of working on one's own hardware is that liability is not a concern.
Why pay someone $60/hr to screw up stuff when you can screw it up yourself.:)
 
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