Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising

snaylor15

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I've got an 86 Merc 170 (A560610) w/ Alpha One outdrive that starts, idles away from the dock, accelerates, gets up on plane, and cruises just fine for about 25-30 minutes. Then, while on plane, it will start missing--once every 2-3 seconds. It's barely noticeable at first, then over the next 5 mins or so, it gets progressively worse until it sputters to a halt. It will not restart right away. If I let it sit for about 20 mins, it will start right up and be fine (no missing, no sputtering) for another 15-20 mins. If I try to start it before the full 'resting period', it will only last a couple of minutes before the sputtering starts.

Things I've made note of:
--The temp rises to about 120F, and stays there the whole time until the 20min 'rest' period is complete, where it has fallen well below 100F
--I've replaced the carb fuel filter after several of the incidents with no effect, although the old filter always hads very fine rust or dirt particles in it.
--The last trip that this happened was after installing a cartridge-type fuel filter of unknown micron size. Perhaps I need a smaller micron filter?
--There is a stainless fuel line going from the pump to the carb that gets pretty warm. Could it be some kind of vapor lock problem?
--It seems that the cooling down period is what's (temporarily) fixing the problem, although the engine reaches operating temperature very quickly.
--If the problem is electrical, why would temperature affect it?
--Just noticed this past time that engaging the outdrive trim in either direction would cause an immediate worsening of the sputtering, but as soon as I stopped trimming (at any tilt angle), the engine would return to running as well as it was when I tried the trim. Could this additional electrical load be hurting the ignition? The batteries are maintaining their charge quite well...


I may try to run from a portable fuel tank with fresh fuel the next time I take it out. It's tough to troubleshoot since it takes 20min on plane for the symptoms to appear.

--Steve
 

Don S

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising

Sounds like you have loose or corroded battery cables. Also check the grounds on everything.
 

snaylor15

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising

Thanks for the quick replies. Based on the coil suggestion, I did some more searching and found another posting with very similar symptoms and a coil replacement worked for them, so I ordered one. It arrived last week, and I installed it and tried it out last weekend. Sadly, there was no change in the symptoms.

While installing the coil, I checked all the grounds I could find (including the big one on the back of the block) and double-checked that the battery cables were clean and tight. So, I guess I'm down to the condenser. Only, I don't think I have a condenser. I pulled the dist. cap, and there's no points, at least not like I'm used to seeing on lawnmowers and such. The only thing under there is the rotor and a little box bolted next to it labeled 32T-v4 and has Ignitor on the side. What is this thing, and could it be the culprit?
 

Wotknot

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising

I'm gonna go off on a different tangent and suggest it may be a clogged pickup screen in the fuel tank that's drawing the crude to the screen as he's crusing. Letting it sit for the "rest period" is allowing the crude to float off the screen only to start the cycle all over again when he starts cruising again.

OR

Maybe a clogged vent......try running it with the gas cap off.

OOPS......should read ALL the post....just now read about the trimming issue with the motor... :confused:
 

snaylor15

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising

OOPS......should read ALL the post....just now read about the trimming issue with the motor... :confused:

Wotknot: The trim motor thing is what has me leaning toward an electrical problem. Also, when it starts missing, it's definitely a spaced-out, single cylinder miss that then increase in frequency over a couple of minutes. I would think a fuel problem would be more like running rough and/or surging.

Don: I haven't checked for spark when it finally dies. I usually shut it off and let it rest when the sputtering gets real bad. Next test run I'll try to run it all the way to shutdown, then hurry and test for spark before it cools.

Is it worth trying to replace this ignitor thing, or are they pretty bulletproof?
 

snaylor15

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising--SOLVED

Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising--SOLVED

I fixed this problem this week and tested it yesterday. Unlimited cruising with no sputtering! Apparently, I had a bad ignitor. I didn't want to just replace it since they are a little pricey (~$85), so I bought a set of points and a condenser, and installed those. Worked like a charm. I suppose if I wanted to go back to electronic ignition in the future, I can, but for now, I'll just stick with the tried and true.

Thanks for the help.

Steve
 

greenz

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising

i'm having the same damn problem on my boat, good luck!
 

vtboatr

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising--SOLVED

Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising--SOLVED

I fixed this problem this week and tested it yesterday. Unlimited cruising with no sputtering! Apparently, I had a bad ignitor. I didn't want to just replace it since they are a little pricey (~$85), so I bought a set of points and a condenser, and installed those. Worked like a charm. I suppose if I wanted to go back to electronic ignition in the future, I can, but for now, I'll just stick with the tried and true.

Thanks for the help.

Steve

Glad it's fixed and running but...

What were the spark plugs gaped at? 35 or 45?

A points ignition require a spark plug gap of 35 vs. an electronic ignition gap of 45.
(with the proper/higher voltage coil)

Just my personnel opinion but to me elec. ignition is a huge improvement over old school points.
 

snaylor15

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Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising--SOLVED

Re: Sputters and dies after 30mins cruising--SOLVED

Glad it's fixed and running but...

What were the spark plugs gaped at? 35 or 45?

A points ignition require a spark plug gap of 35 vs. an electronic ignition gap of 45.
(with the proper/higher voltage coil)

Just my personnel opinion but to me elec. ignition is a huge improvement over old school points.

For what it's worth, the guys at the local boat yard agree with you. They thought I was crazy for changing back. All I know is, it works now.

Interesting point about the spark plug gap. I'll check tonight, but I'd be willing to bet money they are at 35, if that's what's written on the top of the engine. Also, the coil was the original with the boat, and I switched it with an OEM equivalent when troubleshooting, so does that mean the plugs should have been 35? Even with an ignitor? :confused:
 
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