Stainless Prop question...

CRFan1

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Hi guys (and gals)!

New here and I have a question regrading what SS prop to get. I just purchased a new boat over the winter (It's an Alumacraft Classic 165 CS) and I have a 60 hp Merc 4 stroke EFI on it. Right now the prop I have on it is pretty spot on (I believe its a 10.5 x 13 pitch) and it pulls 6k trimmed with 2 people and about 5800 trimmed with 3 people. The MPH is about 31 with 2 and 29.5 to 30 with 3 in the boat. My question is, I was thinking of getting a SS prop and keeping the aluminum one in the boat as a spare and I want to know if I should buy a SS prop in the same pitch? OR, should I buy one with less pitch because there may be less slip? I don't want to lose any RPM's etc. Reccomendations?

Help!

As an FYI, I do occasionally struggle to get on plane with 3 in the boat (especially with some water in the live well) and would not mind a bit better performance there....
 

hwsiii

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Re: Stainless Prop question...

Fan, welcome to Iboats prop forum and I will try to help you as much as I can but without more information no one can help you, and I will tell you I need more information than anyone else. But if you would like my help fill this form out and I will help you as much as I can.

I ran some preliminary numbers, and if your gear ratio is 1.83:1 I found you prop slip is 24%, and that is way too much.

You might try reading this for a better understanding of motor height, changing props for better performance, and for the major differences between aluminum props and stainless steel.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=369057


If you would prefer to not go to this much trouble there are many other people who will come along and gladly help you.

1. Year, make and model of boat
2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat
2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat
3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat and what do you use the boat for
4. Year, make. manufacturer and model of motor and recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range
5. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
If you don?t know the ratio, you need to pull the plugs out and put a piece of tape across the prop and the lower unit and then cut it between the prop and the housing then do the same thing on the flywheel and turn the motor until the tape lines up with each other on the prop, it is easier if two people do this, so one can watch the prop while the other counts the revolutions of the motor
6. Anti-ventilation Plate height above keel of boat if it is an outboard in inches, use a straight edge under the keel and sticking out to the anti ventilation plate for a reference
Motor Transom Height
AntiventilationPlateStraightEdge-2.jpg


When the boat is running in the top 20% of your speed you should be able to see the anti ventilation plate very clearly at the top of the water and have water just splashing over the top of it.

Correct Anti Ventilation Height

correctheight.jpg

7. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. Make sure you trim the prop up until it starts ventilating and then just trim in until it quits ventilating.
RPM _________ Speed ______ GPS ______ No. of people ______ Gal. Gas ________
8. Make, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum prop and does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs
9. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way by just pushing the throttle at the helm and not at the carburetor, checked compression, and looked at the plugs and checked spark as well as timing and advance, all of the foregoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM
10. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations and does the prop show any damage that you can see

REMEMBER, The numbers I give you will be NO better than the information you give me. I use a computer program I designed to find the correct pitch and then knowledge to pick a Better prop design for your boat.

The only thing I ask of you is to come back and give me a report of WOT RPM and speed for my database.



H
 

CRFan1

Seaman Apprentice
Joined
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Messages
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Re: Stainless Prop question...

Fan, welcome to Iboats prop forum and I will try to help you as much as I can but without more information no one can help you, and I will tell you I need more information than anyone else. But if you would like my help fill this form out and I will help you as much as I can.

I ran some preliminary numbers, and if your gear ratio is 1.83:1 I found you prop slip is 24%, and that is way too much.

You might try reading this for a better understanding of motor height, changing props for better performance, and for the major differences between aluminum props and stainless steel.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=369057


If you would prefer to not go to this much trouble there are many other people who will come along and gladly help you.

1. Year, make and model of boat 2010 ALumacraft Classic 165 CS
2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat 16'5", 83" beam, 890lbs dry weight
2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat 75
3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat and what do you use the boat for 3 people, at least 15 gallons, used strictly for fishing.
4. Year, make. manufacturer and model of motor and recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range 2010 Merc 60hp EFI fourstroke (non big foot). 5500 to 6000 RPM recommended operation range
5. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
If you don?t know the ratio, you need to pull the plugs out and put a piece of tape across the prop and the lower unit and then cut it between the prop and the housing then do the same thing on the flywheel and turn the motor until the tape lines up with each other on the prop, it is easier if two people do this, so one can watch the prop while the other counts the revolutions of the motor 60 hp 1.83:1 gear ratio
6. Anti-ventilation Plate height above keel of boat if it is an outboard in inches, use a straight edge under the keel and sticking out to the anti ventilation plate for a reference
Motor Transom Height This I am not sure
AntiventilationPlateStraightEdge-2.jpg


When the boat is running in the top 20% of your speed you should be able to see the anti ventilation plate very clearly at the top of the water and have water just splashing over the top of it.
I have checked this in the past and it seems to be ok
Correct Anti Ventilation Height

correctheight.jpg

7. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. Make sure you trim the prop up until it starts ventilating and then just trim in until it quits ventilating.
RPM ___5800____ Speed __30mph via GPS___ GPS ______ No. of people __3____ Gal. Gas ___18_____
8. Make, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum prop and does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs Standard merc 3 bladed aluminum prop - 10 7/8 x 13 (it is either 10.5 or 10 7/8 I am not at home to check. No hydrofoil or trim tabs, etc.
9. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way by just pushing the throttle at the helm and not at the carburetor, checked compression, and looked at the plugs and checked spark as well as timing and advance, all of the foregoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM Brand new
10. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations and does the prop show any damage that you can see Thought I would see more top end but 30 mph is ok....it struggles at times to get on plane

REMEMBER, The numbers I give you will be NO better than the information you give me. I use a computer program I designed to find the correct pitch and then knowledge to pick a Better prop design for your boat.

The only thing I ask of you is to come back and give me a report of WOT RPM and speed for my database. will do!



H

Answers above in red....:)
 

hwsiii

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Re: Stainless Prop question...

Fan, if you will buy a Solas Amita 4 blade aluminum prop in a 13" pitch, you will gain about 3 MPH, it will plane all three people up easy, you will be able to plane at much lower speeds and it will cost you less than $ 100.



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CRFan1

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Re: Stainless Prop question...

Fan, if you will buy a Solas Amita 4 blade aluminum prop in a 13" pitch, you will gain about 3 MPH, it will plane all three people up easy, you will be able to plane at much lower speeds and it will cost you less than $ 100.



H

Cool thanks!! Any recommendation on a SS prop or stay aluminum? Good place to buy said prop? :)
 

hwsiii

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Re: Stainless Prop question...

I would go with the Amita, you can probably get a couple more MPH out of a SS, but in my opinion it isn't worth it..



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CRFan1

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Re: Stainless Prop question...

Fan, if you will buy a Solas Amita 4 blade aluminum prop in a 13" pitch, you will gain about 3 MPH, it will plane all three people up easy, you will be able to plane at much lower speeds and it will cost you less than $ 100.



H


One other thing that may be important...I will be doing alot of trolling on the motor and I was wondering if changing from a 3 bladed 13" prop to a 4 bladed 13" prop will increase my idle speed significantly? I would not want to see a big increase.....at the same time I realize you can't have everything, lol

and thanks for bearing with me! I really appreciate this!
 

Slip Away

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Re: Stainless Prop question...

Go with a SS Michigan Wheel Apollo 10-1/2 x 13 3 Blade. Part# 993406. Not $100.00 but will do what you need. Also available on iBoats.
 
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