Steering question

Adam76

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I'm taking off the gimbal housing but how do I steer the boat so I san get to the hinge pins, sorry for the stupid question. It seems locked up and I can't turn it.
 

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Re: Steering question

Ayuh,... disconnect the cable from the tiller arm, 'n it should turn...

If it's totally seized, you'll have to decide what yer gonna sacrifice to save whatevers savable...
 

Adam76

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Re: Steering question

Ok is that the cable that goes back trom the steering wheel, I'm not sure why it would be seized there wsn't any problems with it before.
 

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Re: Steering question

Ok is that the cable that goes back trom the steering wheel, I'm not sure why it would be seized there wsn't any problems with it before.

Obviously, we don't know what you've done...
The steering wheel should still turn the housing...
 

Adam76

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Re: Steering question

So far I've all I've done is remove the drive and disconnect the shift cable. I was then trying to turn the wheel to get to the hinge pins to remove the gimble housing to replace the bellows, but when I try to turn the wheel it won't move.
 

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Re: Steering question

So, something is bound up,...
Start by lookin' to see what...
disconnect the cable from the tiller arm,...
What moves, 'n what don't,..??

You haven't removed anything yet that could cause the problem, so Look around, 'n see What is,....
 

Adam76

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Re: Steering question

Thanks, is that the main cable that goes back from the wheel.
 

Fishermark

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Re: Steering question

Thanks, is that the main cable that goes back from the wheel.

Yes.

As Bond-o mentions, something is bound up. The only way to find out is is to start disconnecting and manually push and pull.
 

Bt Doctur

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Re: Steering question

My money is on it being bound up in the guide tube from lack of lubrication
 

Adam76

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Re: Steering question

Ok, I removed the cable to the tiller and still wont move, should I try to take out the pin in the hinge(if that makes any sense) Might be bound up due to lack of lube how would I know, the boat is new to me only had it out twice. Thanks
 

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Re: Steering question

With the cable disconnected at the tiller arm, will the helm (steering wheel) turn? If it does, does the cable end move in and out?

If the outdrive does not turn with the cable disconnected, but it did recently... then that would be an unusual problem. I'm not sure what to suggest from here other than more force.
 

Adam76

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Re: Steering question

The steering wheel still doesn't want to turn even being disconnected, and if thats what was wrong why wouldn't I be able to move the outdrive back and forth. So know both wont move. So whats wrong with the steering wheel and why wont the outdrive turn now. Thanks
 

Pete104

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Re: Steering question

Your terminology is way off to what you are trying acclomplish. I wonder why you are messing with the "gimbal hsg".
If you have the steering cable in your hand (flopping around), the wheel should turn effortlessly as well as the drive side to side effortlessly. Someone mentioned earlier that guide tube could be corroded, that can & will happen overnight.
The cable (steering) has to be totally removed from the engine/transom plate!
 

achris

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Re: Steering question

I agree with Pete, please get the terminology right if you want accurate answers. I suspect you are trying to remove the bellhousing from the Gimbal ring. If you have already removed the drive, undone the nut that holds the steering cable to the guide tube, removed the split pin from the pin that holds the end of the steering cable in the tiller and pulled the steering cable ALL THE WAY OUT of the guide tube, then the steering wheel should turn effortlessly. If not, the steering cable or helm unit has a problem. With the steering cable COMPLETELY removed the gimbal ring can sometimes be quite stiff, usually due to the bellows resisting your efforts, but it should move, and then 'spring' back to the straight ahead position. I usually wedge it with a chunk of lumber so the hinge pin remains accessible, remove the pin and lumber, chock the other side, Bob's your uncle....

This description assumes you have a later model power steering. If you have an early model engine, then you may have a drag link between the end of the steering cable and the tiller arm. If that's the case, remove the split pins holding the drag link in and remove the drag link before pulling the steering cable out.

If you have power steering and the power steering unit is still attached to the tiller arm, that WILL stop the gimbal ring from moving....

It would have been a whole lot easy if you had given us a model, year, serial number in the first post....

Chris........
 

Adam76

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Re: Steering question

Thanks for the help guys, I'm sorry my terminology was wrong, yes I'm trying to rmove the bellhousing from the gimble ring. I have disconnected the steering cable completly, so now I should unattach the power steering from the tiller arm to get the gimbal ring to move, correct. Engine is 94' 350 serial number OF133246, Drive is OF219342. Thanks alot for the help, much appreciated.
 

achris

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Re: Steering question

... so now I should unattach the power steering from the tiller arm to get the gimbal ring to move, correct. ....

That'd do it every time!!!

The power steering on that model was a non-feedback unit, meaning that no loading on the drive was passed back to the steering wheel. Only movement from the steering wheel (we in the marine world call that a HELM) will move the drive....

So I would check that the helm spins and moves the cable fine, reconnect it and use the helm to move the gimbal ring so you can get the hinge pins out....

Chris...........
 
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