stingray hydrofoil installation

djvan

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Hi,<br /><br />I would like to know if anybody has recently installed a stingray hydrofoil? Last year I had lower unit gear failure. I bought a new lower unit. I failed to make a template to re-install my hydrofoil. I centered it and drilled the holes, my boat now leans(lists?) port side down until I move people around in the boat to balance it out. No amount of trimming will correct this problem. I really like the foil on, so I want to correct the problem. My old lower with the same foil worked great. <br /><br />I have recently removed the foil to make sure this caused my trouble, and it for sure is the problem.<br /><br />I wondered if the hydrofoil was supposed to be mounted a little crooked to off set prop torque?<br /><br />Any input is greatly appreciated. I don't really want to go to smart tabs, as this setup worked very good before.<br /><br />Thanks in advance,<br /><br />DougV>
 

rnsi

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

I tossed my stingray and installed smart tabs. Best money I ever spent on the boat. Will never use another hydrofoil again. Just my 2c.
 

djvan

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

I probably will do that eventually, but too many $$$ in the boat this year already.<br /><br />DougV>
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Try adjusting the trim tab(Fin) under the foil. There is a bolt underneath the tab to loosen it. Move the rear of the tab(Fin)in the direction of the pull...
 

cobra 3.0

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

If your hydrofoil isn't perfectly square with the lower unit it will pull to one side.
 

Dhadley

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Most likely its too deep in the water.<br /><br />The whole idea of any fin is that its a tool that allows you to get on plane quicker and raise the motor to reduce drag.<br /><br />If the fin is under the surface when the boat is on plane then its too low. All sorts of odd things happen then. Your situation is not unusual when the motor (fin) is too low.
 

Jdeagro

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

djvan;<br /><br />You are experiencing a very common handling problem with the foil, and you may have changed to a more agressive prop. <br /><br />It is easy to understan once you think about it a bit. <br />1) the boat is a V bottom and sensitive to listing one side or the other.<br /><br />2)The prop rotates clockwise, therefore the friction (resistance) at higher speeds will tend to make the boat list to the port side (counter clockwise).<br /><br />3) The boat manufacturer will compensate for this by adding weight to the starboard side. Ie: the helm is on the starboard side.<br /><br />4) When adding a foil (extra planing surface) to the motor, you increase the lift area in the center and attempt to balance the boat on the keel (center), like a teeter totter. <br /><br />5) The foil will also increase lift more as the speed increases ( they provide much more lift at high speeds than at low speeds) when you do not need the lift. This raises the stern and therefore pushes the bow down. This excess bow pressure puts more of the keel in the water and exagerates the problem of the torque list. <br /><br />The lift on the hull should be disbursed evenly to both sides of the keel not in the center.<br /><br />You should never lift the boat by the engine for a host of other reasons as well. <br /><br />Since you did not mention that you did not have the problem before, I suspect something else was changed also such as the prop or the cavitation plate may be lower into the water than before. If the foil runs below the water the problems are even worse. If the boat is set up to accomodate a foil ( motor height, prop, balance etc.) it is usefull in maximizing performance, however simply slapping one on to improve the Hole Shot is not my recommendation.
 

Tufan

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Not to burst your bubble - I too throw away my stingray hydrofoil and install smart tabs...<br /><br />excellent.
 

BillP

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Doug,<br />It seems a minor detail got left off in a few of the earlier responses. But like Dhadley says, if the foil is installed correctly, it is out of the water at high speed and won't make the boat teeter-totter or push the bow down. Look at the foil when at high speed and see if it is causing the problem. If it is I'm guessing the foil isn't mounted symetrically. Maybe a shim is needed if tweaking the motors trim tab doesn't do it.
 

djvan

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Update<br /><br /> Took boat out today after very carefully measuring and squaring up the fin,it works perfectly as it did before the lower unit exchange. I didn't think it would need to be shimmed as it worked excellent before with the same setup (prop pitch, boat, lower unit)as before. I did try to adjust the tab before messing with the foil. It didn't pull though, just leaned when on plane.<br /><br />Thanks DougV>
 

djvan

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Maybe<br /><br />DougV>
 

Dhadley

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Steering torque and a leaning boat are two different issues.
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

DH, that is true. Just covering the bases, as I could not see why it would list by just installing the foil... Never know.. But you are correct, as usual.. Personally, I would lose the foil and shoot for a correct set-up..
 

BillP

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Re: stingray hydrofoil installation

Originally posted by rickdb1boat:<br /> DH, that is true. Just covering the bases, as I could not see why it would list by just installing the foil... Never know.. But you are correct, as usual.. Personally, I would lose the foil and shoot for a correct set-up..
Inquiring minds want to know...Why is the foil not a "correct" setup?
 
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