Stupid Quotes about Hurricane Katrina

POINTER94

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Liberal half truth crap. Most of these quotes have been shown to be lies, and intentional mischaractorizations.
 

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Notice they are virtually all from Republicans despite the crazy things Mayor Nagin has said he doesn't even make the list. All the crazy stuff about the angel of death and dead people starting to fly and people jonsing...
 

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Pointer, did you look at the cited sources? Who has shown them to be lies? CNN lies? Mischaracterizations? They said what they said!
 

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Lets just take the first one. Bush said he didn't expect the levies to be breached,................................................ they expected them to be washed over as they were not designed for a category five hurricane and the storm surge was predicted to overwhelm/overwash the levies, not breech them. In addition the levies that were breached were recently repaired/upgraded and were thought to be some of the strongest aspects of the entire system. <br /><br />That is what he said. But you are right Bush said it, but just take it out of context to put a completely different spin on it. Where I come from that is called yellow journalism, but heck who can legislate or teach morality right?
 

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Not true pointer. Who is "they?" I sat and listened to a civil engineer two days before landfall say that if a category 4 or 5 hit NO, there would be an excellent possibility the levy or part of it could be washed away. So when he says "nobody expected it" he is not telling the truth. He should have sought opinions outside of his uninformed circle.<br /><br />Every time the Mississippi floods, there is always concern for a levy washout. Katrina was known to be much much worse than a Mississippi river flood.
 

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Perhaps Senator Landrieu should have brought that up some time ago. She knew about the problem. When did she ever try to solve it?
 

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Who is "they?"
The city and State officials. If they did expect them to break, they are guilty of murder in the Second Degree (depraved indifference)
 

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The quote was assigned to GW Bush. Not an engineer. The quote was used to make GW appear stupid. The problem is that is not what GW said and it remains a lie to the context in which it was quoted. If they were really interested in the whole true they would have quoted the entire statement. Ever wonder why they didn't? Guess it wouldn't have the same effect now would it?<br /><br />You listened to an engineer. I listened to the Democrats that said we would lose 25000 soilders taking Iraq. What is your point. Nobody ever ridiculed the sky is falling crowd when they are wrong, which is frequently(worst economy in 40 years ring any bells?), but those who point to successes are always riduculed. We spent more money under Bush to improve the levies than Clinton ever did. (40% in the five years) Louisiana was the #1 state in the union for funds for the Army corps of engineers. Yep, Bush the idiot. FYI old Mary Landreau's father was the mayor of NO. He did nothing during his tenue. And those valuable insights were obviously passed on to Mary who authored not one piece of legislation to improve the levies in HER district. Neat. The fact you can't quote her or point to her legislation is what is really funny or sick.
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> Lets just take the first one. Bush said he didn't expect the levies to be breached,................................................ they expected them to be washed over as they were not designed for a category five hurricane and the storm surge was predicted to overwhelm/overwash the levies, not breech them.
If you children will stop trying to insult each other for half a minute...<br /><br />breached/not breached...you are agueing about semantics. pointer you know that that flooding that would not recede was predicted by the Army Corps of Engineers, the National Weather Service, LSU, National Geographic, the list goes on. You might be able to find the word "breach" in there somewhere, or not, I don't know.<br /><br />Point is, Bush said it. He didn't know whether it was true or not. So it was not a real smart thing for him to say.<br /><br />Just like it was not real smart for him to stand up in front of non-wealthy citizens and proclaim that his wealthy friend's beach house would be restored to its former glory. Not a smart thing to say.
 

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Very few expected that the levee to break as a result of this specific storm.<br /><br />Nobody can deny that.
 

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"If you children will stop trying to insult each other for half a minute"<br /><br />Choose your words carefully, you may end up alienating the very people that you're reaching out to.<br /><br />Hint: Calling someone a child is a VERY BAD thing to say.
 

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Originally posted by mrbscott19:<br /> I can't say I'm surprised
Of course, your not suprized, as it's a movie industry blog. It's what we should expect form them. It's all agenda-driven ,as evidenced by the conservative-bashing, and at the same time, omitting the liberal dooooozies that are well-known by anyone following the history of this disaster.
 

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Originally posted by ErikDC:<br /> <br /><br />Hint: Calling someone a child is a VERY BAD thing to say.
Sorry all, didn't mean to offend. I was trying to be funny & failed.
 

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The quote was assigned to GW Bush. Not an engineer. The quote was used to make GW appear stupid. The problem is that is not what GW said and it remains a lie to the context in which it was quoted. If they were really interested in the whole true they would have quoted the entire statement. Ever wonder why they didn't? Guess it wouldn't have the same effect now would it?
Enlighten me Pointer, what was the entire quote. You know, for context purposes. <br /><br />I know the quote was assigned to Bush, and had Bush consulted with appropriate sources, he would have known to never make the statement. Therefore, it not only makes him look "stupid", it also supports it. Bush reacted poorly to the events in NO, pre and post storm, and that is the bottom line. <br /><br />I also think the fact(as you report) Bush put 40% more money into the levies is very much like an admission of guilt. At least to the fact the levies could potentially be a problem. Otherwise, why put money into them if they were unaware of any potential problems? <br /><br />Bottom line is that I think he new there was a potential for disaster, but played the odds and lost.
 

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cjy is right.<br />honestly, do you think Bush researched the issue, and determined that, although the level of flooding and devastation had accurately been predicted, a breaching had not, and put those carefully considered words in his statement?<br /><br />possibly, but I seriously doubt it. What he said sounded dumb. Maybe not on the level of "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is," (everybody knows who said that, right?) but still pretty dumb.
 

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Again, as it was two days after the storm that the levie broke, it makes perfect sense. But if your world revolves around half-truths, anti-Bush hate speech, then this is the perfect little compilation of mis/half quotes for you. <br /><br />You make a mistake when you fail to understand the entire picture of the event. I can't make you educate yourself to the dynamic that makes up the storm and the tregedy that transpired. It is a sad agrument when you take the fact that the levies recieved 40% more funding under bush to prevent this tragedy and you use it to fortify your arguement that Bush knew this was going to happen 5 years in advance. But it is consistant with the train of thought that Bush actually created the hurricane itself. Heck, he did it on purpose to kill people right? It boggles the mind how you arrived at this type of reasoning. It sounds more like a vendictive excersise in blame assessment. Wrongly pointed, and clearly in opposition to the good of everyone but, this is the United States. <br /><br />Again, the quote is incorrect and taken out of context. But if you like being fed dog crap and told it is steak, let me get you some silverware.
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br />...Heck, he did it on purpose to kill people right? <br />...<br />But if you like being fed dog crap and told it is steak, let me get you some silverware.
There you go getting personal. Putting words in peoples' mouths. Bush says dumb things sometimes, that was one. It's an opinion. <br /><br />Express an opposing opinion if you wish. You are the first and only person to suggest that Bush killed anyone.<br /><br />Lifted out of context, you said. CJY asked you to supply the context. Can you supply the context, or were you bluffing?<br /><br />I pointed out that you're playing word games: "breached" or "not breached", the flooding & devastation were accurately predicted. If you disagree, say so.<br /><br />But, if you have nothing of substance to say on point, you can always resort to tossing out insults.
 

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Again, not true. There were several members of a certain racial community who suggested Bush was slow in responding so more people would die. This is the same type of people who posted the above mis-quotes in the link.<br /><br />As for the dog doo - thats humor. ;)
 

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Money Flowed to Questionable Projects<br />State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With Floods<br /><br />By Michael Grunwald<br />Washington Post Staff Writer<br />Thursday, September 8, 2005; A01<br /><br /><br />Before Hurricane Katrina breached a levee on the New Orleans Industrial Canal, the Army Corps of Engineers had already launched a $748 million construction project at that very location. But the project had nothing to do with flood control. The Corps was building a huge new lock for the canal, an effort to accommodate steadily increasing barge traffic.<br /><br />Except that barge traffic on the canal has been steadily decreasing.<br /><br />In Katrina's wake, Louisiana politicians and other critics have complained about paltry funding for the Army Corps in general and Louisiana projects in particular. But over the five years of President Bush's administration, Louisiana has received far more money for Corps civil works projects than any other state, about $1.9 billion; California was a distant second with less than $1.4 billion, even though its population is more than seven times as large.<br /><br />Much of that Louisiana money was spent to try to keep low-lying New Orleans dry. But hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to unrelated water projects demanded by the state's congressional delegation and approved by the Corps, often after economic analyses that turned out to be inaccurate. Despite a series of independent investigations criticizing Army Corps construction projects as wasteful pork-barrel spending, Louisiana's representatives have kept bringing home the bacon.<br /><br />For example, after a $194 million deepening project for the Port of Iberia flunked a Corps cost-benefit analysis, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) tucked language into an emergency Iraq spending bill ordering the agency to redo its calculations. The Corps also spends tens of millions of dollars a year dredging little-used waterways such as the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, the Atchafalaya River and the Red River -- now known as the J. Bennett Johnston Waterway, in honor of the project's congressional godfather -- for barge traffic that is less than forecast.<br /><br />The Industrial Canal lock is one of the agency's most controversial projects, sued by residents of a New Orleans low-income black neighborhood and cited by an alliance of environmentalists and taxpayer advocates as the fifth-worst current Corps boondoggle. In 1998, the Corps justified its plan to build a new lock -- rather than fix the old lock for a tiny fraction of the cost -- by predicting huge increases in use by barges traveling between the Port of New Orleans and the Mississippi River.<br /><br />In fact, barge traffic on the canal had been plummeting since 1994, but the Corps left that data out of its study. And barges have continued to avoid the canal since the study was finished, even though they are visiting the port in increased numbers.<br /><br />Pam Dashiell, president of the Holy Cross Neighborhood Association, remembers holding a protest against the lock four years ago -- right where the levee broke Aug. 30. Now she's holed up with her family in a St. Louis hotel, and her neighborhood is underwater. "Our politicians never cared half as much about protecting us as they cared about pork," Dashiell said.<br /><br />Yesterday, congressional defenders of the Corps said they hoped the fallout from Hurricane Katrina would pave the way for billions of dollars of additional spending on water projects. Steve Ellis, a Corps critic with Taxpayers for Common Sense, called their push "the legislative equivalent of looting."<br /><br />Louisiana's politicians have requested much more money for New Orleans hurricane protection than the Bush administration has proposed or Congress has provided. In the last budget bill, Louisiana's delegation requested $27.1 million for shoring up levees around Lake Pontchartrain, the full amount the Corps had declared as its "project capability." Bush suggested $3.9 million, and Congress agreed to spend $5.7 million.<br /><br />Administration officials also dramatically scaled back a long-term project to restore Louisiana's disappearing coastal marshes, which once provided a measure of natural hurricane protection for New Orleans. They ordered the Corps to stop work on a $14 billion plan, and devise a $2 billion plan instead.<br /><br />But overall, the Bush administration's funding requests for the key New Orleans flood-control projects for the past five years were slightly higher than the Clinton administration's for its past five years. Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, the chief of the Corps, has said that in any event, more money would not have prevented the drowning of the city, since its levees were designed to protect against a Category 3 storm, and the levees that failed were already completed projects. Strock has also said that the marsh-restoration project would not have done much to diminish Katrina's storm surge, which passed east of the coastal wetlands.<br /><br />"The project manager for the Great Pyramids probably put in a request for 100 million shekels and only got 50 million," said John Paul Woodley Jr., the Bush administration official overseeing the Corps. "Flood protection is always a work in progress; on any given day, if you ask whether any community has all the protection it needs, the answer is almost always: Maybe, but maybe not."<br /><br />The Corps had been studying the possibility of upgrading the New Orleans levees for a higher level of protection before Katrina hit, but Woodley said that study would not have been finished for years. Still, liberal bloggers, Democratic politicians and some GOP defenders of the Corps have linked the catastrophe to the underfunding of the agency.<br /><br />"We've been hollering about funding for years, but everyone would say: There goes Louisiana again, asking for more money," said former Democratic senator John Breaux. "We've had some powerful people in powerful places, but we never got what we needed."<br /><br />That may be true. But those powerful people -- including former senators Breaux, Johnston and Russell Long, as well as former House committee chairmen Robert Livingston and W.J. "Billy" Tauzin -- did get quite a bit of what they wanted. And the current delegation -- led by Landrieu and GOP Sen. David Vitter -- has continued that tradition.<br /><br />The Senate's latest budget bill for the Corps included 107 Louisiana projects worth $596 million, including $15 million for the Industrial Canal lock, for which the Bush administration had proposed no funding. Landrieu said the bill would "accelerate our flood control, navigation and coastal protection programs." Vitter said he was "grateful that my colleagues on the Appropriations Committee were persuaded of the importance of these projects."<br /><br />Louisiana not only leads the nation in overall Corps funding, it places second in new construction -- just behind Florida, home of an $8 billion project to restore the Everglades. Several controversial projects were improvements for the Port of New Orleans, an economic linchpin at the mouth of the Mississippi. There were also several efforts to deepen channel for oil and gas tankers, a priority for petroleum companies that drill in the Gulf of Mexico.<br /><br />"We thought all the projects were important -- not just levees," Breaux said. "Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but navigation projects were critical to our economic survival."<br /><br />Overall, Army Corps funding has remained relatively constant for decades, despite the "Program Growth Initiative" launched by agency generals in 1999 without telling their civilian bosses in the Clinton administration. The Bush administration has proposed cuts in the Corps budget, and has tried to shift the agency's emphasis from new construction to overdue maintenance. But most of those proposals have died quietly on Capitol Hill, and the administration has not fought too hard to revive them.<br /><br />In fact, more than any other federal agency, the Corps is controlled by Congress; its $4.7 billion civil works budget consists almost entirely of "earmarks" inserted by individual legislators. The Corps must determine that the economic benefits of its projects exceed the costs, but marginal projects such as the Port of Iberia deepening -- which squeaked by with a 1.03 benefit-cost ratio -- are as eligible for funding as the New Orleans levees.<br /><br />"It has been explicit national policy not to set priorities, but instead to build any flood control or barge project if the Corps decides the benefits exceed the costs by 1 cent," said Tim Searchinger, a senior attorney at Environmental Defense. "Saving New Orleans gets no more emphasis than draining wetlands to grow corn and soybeans."<br /><br />© 2005 The Washington Post Company
 
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