???Super Fuel???

TXredfish

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???Super Fuel???

I have a friend that told me to add octane booster (the fuel enhancer for cars the 12-16 oz cans added to the gasoline tank) to the common 2 stroke solution (6 gal gas 1 can of 2 stroke oil). HE said by adding this it turns regular fuel into super fuel. HE swore that his small 15hp motor runs like a 30hp and that the common problems of 2 strokes like smoking, slow starts, and low hp are all avoided with octane. Although I have not seen it,he preaches it like there is no tomorrow. I am very skeptical about my friends theory, so I think I'll have experts tell me if it is possible to add octane to a fuel mixture.
 

mellowyellow

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wouldn't bet on that horse. I vote 4 maint/upkeep.<br />sounds like the IBM magic dust commercial. :p
 

steelespike

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Dont mess with octane booster. Most outboards<br />are designed to run on regular, 87 octane.<br /> If you boost the octane you actually make it harder to burn the fuel correctly with a motor<br />designed to run on regular.<br /> Think about it, if it works why not have the racers just add it to say a 150 and make it a 300<br /> why bother to soup up for racing.<br /> Even if it did work if you double the horse power Something like nitros oxide it will go like <br /> he** but not for long.
 

ob1jeeper

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IF you have an "older" motor which was designed to run on higher octane fuel, then attempting to raise the octane of the normally available 87 octane fuel MAY be helpful, but I doubt that it would provide DOUBLE the HP gain that your buddy the "snake-oil" believer says...<br /><br />Octane rating is nothing more than a measure of how quickly the fuel will burn... The higher the octane, the slower it burns, thus allowing the motor to be designed to run at higher compressions, and "faster" timing... The slower burn time of the higher octane fuel, allows the piston to reach TDC, or be VERY close to TDC BEFORE the combustion caused peak pressures are reached...<br /><br />HOWEVER... When you set the timing TOO far in advance, then you get "ping" or spark knock, (WHICH FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HEAR IN A RUNNING OUTBOARD). Anyway, spark knock, is nothing more than the peak combustion pressures being reached before the piston gets to TDC, resulting in the noise you hear, which is typically, the piston "rattling" in the bore coupled with the "compressive explosion" force of the combustion occurring too soon.<br /><br />Not only do you have these high combustion pressures being reached too soon, you also now add additional heat in the form of the heat of compression (similar to a diesel motor), caused by the additional compression of the combusted gasses, as the piston forces it's way up to and past TDC.<br /><br />These two things are the MAIN reasons motor internal heat damage occurs. What in essence happens is that the piston material begins melting and depositing on the cyl walls, and rings, causing subsequent cylinder wall scoring by the melted remnants of the aluminum piston falling apart under the heat load...<br /><br />Since the higher octane fuels burn more slowly, or to put it more succinctly, in a more controlled manner, this allows you to advance the timing AND/or increase the compression ratios, to take advantage of getting the peak combustion pressures as close as is practical to TDC, thus maximizing the available Power, from the available fuel.<br /><br />In theory, increasing the octane on ANY motor, should allow you to advance the timing a bit, to take advantage of this power gain... In reality, the design considerations of the motor, may actually cause you to do more harm than good, or like was stated before... It may run like a "vampire bat on steroids"... but most likely, only for a short while...<br /><br />My advise, is to do what your motor owners manual (or certified dealer for your brand motor) tells you to do, to not only optimize performance, but maximize longevity...<br /><br />Let the "Snake Oil salesmen", prey on other's motors... you'll be glad in the long run that you did...<br /><br />GOOD LUCK... Obiwan Jeeper
 

roscoe

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I belive your friend is smoking something besides Marlboros. Even if a higher octane fuel was beneficial,which it isn't, there would be no dicernable increase in hp. There is only so much energy in your gas and increasing octane does not increase the amount of energy.<br /><br />As for smoking, slow starts, and low horsepower,<br />my motors don't smoke. Your friend is probably using the wrong type of oil. My motors start right up on the first pull or touch of the key. Sounds like a carb or plug problem. And as far as low horsepower goes, my motor puts out the amount I paid for, of course I would like to have 75 more, but that would cost me another $3000.
 
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