Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

[beaufort bob]

Anybody have, or know of someone who has one of these that didn't work properly (ie: failed to disengage after the motor starts. ) If so, what were the symptoms exhibited by the running motor under those circumstances?

Thanks, BB

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

never saw the suzuki design but yamaha has used a mechanical automatic decompression device on their little 4 strokes for a long time.
never saw a failure but the symptoms would be a very poor running engine. in fact it would run like it had a burned valve.

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

never saw the suzuki design but yamaha has used a mechanical automatic decompression device on their little 4 strokes for a long time.
never saw a failure but the symptoms would be a very poor running engine. in fact it would run like it had a burned valve.

Thanks rodbolt!

Which would probably result in extra vibration and shaking, wouldn't it? Could you give any other specific symptoms which you think might occur?

BB

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

it would run rough, thats why I already told you to load the engine and do a cyl power balance test,yet all you wish to do is bash suzuki.
remember, the sequence is,suck,squeeze bang and blow.

engines are simple mechanical devices, only so much can be wrong with them.
but it requires an understanding of the mechanical principles of why it works to resolve any problems.

as your previous posts state this vibration comes and goes why would you suspect something like a bad decompression mechanism ?
do you understand what a decompression device is used for on a lot of smaller 4 stroke motors?

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

it would run rough, thats why I already told you to load the engine and do a cyl power balance test,yet all you wish to do is bash suzuki.
remember, the sequence is,suck,squeeze bang and blow.

engines are simple mechanical devices, only so much can be wrong with them.
but it requires an understanding of the mechanical principles of why it works to resolve any problems.

as your previous posts state this vibration comes and goes why would you suspect something like a bad decompression mechanism ?
do you understand what a decompression device is used for on a lot of smaller 4 stroke motors?

OK rodbolt, where did I bash suzuki in THIS thread? You need to get your facts straight before you accuse someone of anything. Furthermore, if stating FACTS is bashing, then I'm 100% guilty! I am having a problem with my brand new motor which happens to be a suzuki. OK, I'm NOT satisfied with it because suzuki customer service sucks! I'm really glad you love suzuki so much, but if you were in my shoes you'd feel the same way. By the way, it was a service technician at Browns Point Marine Services in NJ who turned me onto the possibility (however slight) that the compression release mechanism might be suspect, which is why I was asking. I'm just looking for answers here, not personal attacks.

Also, have had the motor to two separate "authorized dealers" who don't know their butts from a hole in the ground, so "good luck" getting any testing done around here (as you suggest!)

BB

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

bashing again
you took delivery of a motor with a forged legal document. the lack of the PDI being performed negates any warrenty obligations by suzuki motors.
however I have only seen that happen twice.
you purchased a motor, ok.
now the motor does not perform to your expectations.
to find a vibration or an engine miss requires proper training and some equipment.
first eliminate such stuff as bent propshafts and mechanical issues.
factories make mistakes all the time. thats why almost all manufacturers require the dealer to perform certain steps at delivery to insure the quality of the product.
you have a dealer problem not a problem with suzuki.
by the fact the dealer will lie to the franchiser immediatly makes me suspicious of the ethics of the dealership.
first your going to have to take the engine to a reputable dealership to find out if the motor actually has an issue.
I am sorry but the only one I can personally reccomend is Phil Friday at Fridays marine in Saluda VA.
so if you have a dial indicator you can test the propshaft and index the flywheelto insure no defects with crank throws or conecting rods.
I will try to find out how the compression release and crank counter balance is designed on that particular engine.
I understand your frustration,thats why I bought my new 175 E-TEC from a dealer 90 miles from me. the service dept at Ron's marine in portsmouth VA are not only great they are friends that I have worked with in the past.
did I pay more for it in VA than manteo? yep,by about 1600 dollars.
I could have had my pick of yamahas at dealer cost had I chose a place in wanchese but then I would have been stuck servicing my own stuff.
so it may be that to get your engine repaired you will have to find a service center that can actually diagnose a motor and has a solid reputation with suzuki technical dept in Atlanta.
the yamaha shop I work with has a very very good relationship with yamaha kennesaw and they have never denied us anything.
however we tend to be very honest with them and if my signature is on a PDI sheet you can bet your left one the Pre Delivery Inspection was actually done.
to get back to your issue, the first determination to make is what is the actual problem and can you recreate it. then you isolate it to which subsystem,mechanical,electrical or fuel.
from there you can break the suspect subsystem into its components.
to many dealers wont do the PDI and to many sell motors in the box out the back door.
almost every case we have warrenty issues with is a backdoor motor.
in my area there is no suzuki dealers left. the norfolk area has 2 I think and I have always used fridays in saluda since the suzuki dealer I worked for in norfolk quit in 95.
used to be suzuki did not pay the techs trouble shooting time and in my opinion it makes techs less likly to hunt for issues that are not plain obvious.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

I just did some checking of the parts diuagrams, I dont see anywhere on the head or the cam any parts associated with an auto decompression device.
yamaha uses a centrifical weight that will drop when the engine shuts down and will actually hold a valve off its seat until the engine reaches about 350 RPM then normal cam control is exerted.
looking at the drawing of the crank its designed as you stated with both pistons moving the same direction at the same time. however the crank looks to be heavily counterwieghted.
so we are right back to the fact your going to have to find a reputable dealer that can properly diagnose your engine and report the deficieny to suzuki corperation for a warrenty situation. I am very sorry you have had difficulty with your new product.
it happens and makes all dealers and techs look bad.

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

<<I dont see anywhere on the head or the cam any parts associated with an auto decompression device>>

...it's there... fig 8. item 1-1...

<< the crank looks to be heavily counterwieghted>>

...doesn't mean a "danged" thing if it's not properly manufactured... but I'm not even saying that's the problem....

<<so we are right back to the fact your going to have to find a reputable dealer that can properly diagnose your engine and report the deficieny to suzuki corperation for a warrenty situation>>

...didn't I already say that?...

<< I am very sorry you have had difficulty with your new product>>

...me too... and just think, all it would have taken is for an "authorized dealer" or suzuki to have taken the time to properly check out my problem... remember, I have had TWO "authorized" folk SEE the problem, it's just that they can't seem to FIX the problem....

<< it happens and makes all dealers and techs look bad>>

...not really ...check out Browns Point...

...finally, WHY won't suzuki talk to me? ...WHY? ...oh, yeah, I'm just the customer.... I forgot...

...regards, BB

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

<<I dont see anywhere on the head or the cam any parts associated with an auto decompression device>>

...it's there... fig 8. item 1-1...

<< the crank looks to be heavily counterwieghted>>

...doesn't mean a "danged" thing if it's not properly manufactured... but I'm not even saying that's the problem....

<<so we are right back to the fact your going to have to find a reputable dealer that can properly diagnose your engine and report the deficieny to suzuki corperation for a warrenty situation>>

...didn't I already say that?...

<< I am very sorry you have had difficulty with your new product>>

...me too... and just think, all it would have taken is for an "authorized dealer" or suzuki to have taken the time to properly check out my problem... remember, I have had TWO "authorized" folk SEE the problem, it's just that they can't seem to FIX the problem....

<< it happens and makes all dealers and techs look bad>>

...not really ...check out Browns Point...

...finally, WHY won't suzuki talk to me? ...WHY? ...oh, yeah, I'm just the customer.... I forgot...

...regards, BB

...whoops! make that ITEM 1-3...sorry!

...BB

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

yep, but its quite different than the yamaha version. however if it sticks you will have low compression and a poor running engine.
its in the small print I cant see without going to 150% zoom .
however if it sticks your going to have a poor running engine throught the RPM range.
to many dealerships give it a glance and if the problems cause is not obvious they tend to ignore the customer.
I get referrals from Yamaha all the time on issues other dealers gave up on.
its sad but you may have to drive or ship your motor to a dealer that can actually fix it.
but I would call suzuki's consumer hotline and explain the problem and ask for a referral to a dealer that may be able to help.
get a name from the representative to give to whatever dealer you take it to so some sort of factory continuioty is preserved.
and whatever you do be very sweet on the phone.
even though its hard sometimes .
even us techs sometimes get a bit testy with our factory reps. I have a Volvo rep coming monday so by monday night I may not have a job

 

[Triton II]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

Whoa, BB, give poor old Rodbolt a break... being polite with people who give FANTASTIC advice for free is a prerequisite. No wonder your Suzuki dealership people are running a mile. Here in Australia we are blunt and to the point. My point is Robolt has EARNED his "supreme mariner" status. Respect is due and I suggest you either give it or go away.

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

Whoa, BB, give poor old Rodbolt a break... being polite with people who give FANTASTIC advice for free is a prerequisite. No wonder your Suzuki dealership people are running a mile. Here in Australia we are blunt and to the point. My point is Robolt has EARNED his "supreme mariner" status. Respect is due and I suggest you either give it or go away.

Triton II, would you please tell me exactly where did I not give rodbolt his "due respect?" And please be specific so that I might avoid such poor behavior in the future. I wouldn't want to come off as being "disrespecting." Thank you for pointing out my rude behavior. I'll try to improve.

...BB

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

yep, but its quite different than the yamaha version. however if it sticks you will have low compression and a poor running engine.
its in the small print I cant see without going to 150% zoom .
however if it sticks your going to have a poor running engine throught the RPM range.
to many dealerships give it a glance and if the problems cause is not obvious they tend to ignore the customer.
I get referrals from Yamaha all the time on issues other dealers gave up on.
its sad but you may have to drive or ship your motor to a dealer that can actually fix it.
but I would call suzuki's consumer hotline and explain the problem and ask for a referral to a dealer that may be able to help.
get a name from the representative to give to whatever dealer you take it to so some sort of factory continuioty is preserved.
and whatever you do be very sweet on the phone.
even though its hard sometimes .
even us techs sometimes get a bit testy with our factory reps. I have a Volvo rep coming monday so by monday night I may not have a job

Thanks for replying and I SINCERELY apologize if I was rude to you in any way. Guess I shouldn't be " looking a gifthorse " in the mouth. ( You kinda set me off saying I was bashing suzuki when all I thought I was doing was relaying the facts and giving my heart-felt opinions. )

Regards and thanks for all your input, BB

ps: I'll still not be buying any suzuki products again, EVER!

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

yep, but its quite different than the yamaha version. however if it sticks you will have low compression and a poor running engine.
its in the small print I cant see without going to 150% zoom .
however if it sticks your going to have a poor running engine throught the RPM range.
to many dealerships give it a glance and if the problems cause is not obvious they tend to ignore the customer.
I get referrals from Yamaha all the time on issues other dealers gave up on.
its sad but you may have to drive or ship your motor to a dealer that can actually fix it.
but I would call suzuki's consumer hotline and explain the problem and ask for a referral to a dealer that may be able to help.
get a name from the representative to give to whatever dealer you take it to so some sort of factory continuioty is preserved.
and whatever you do be very sweet on the phone.
even though its hard sometimes .
even us techs sometimes get a bit testy with our factory reps. I have a Volvo rep coming monday so by monday night I may not have a job

Thanks for replying and I SINCERELY apologize if I was rude to you in any way. Guess I shouldn't be " looking a gifthorse " in the mouth. ( You kinda set me off saying I was bashing suzuki when all I thought I was doing was relaying the facts and giving my heart-felt opinions. )

Regards and thanks for all your input, BB

ps: I'll still not be buying any suzuki products again, EVER!

 

[lifeisfun]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

Still don't understand why you don't visit the nearest Suzuki dealership and ask them to dem the same motor on your particular " boat" ....

 

[beaufort bob]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

Still don't understand why you don't visit the nearest Suzuki dealership and ask them to dem the same motor on your particular " boat" ....

Hey lifeisfun!

"Been there, done that" .... TWICE! Trouble is finding ANY nearby suzuki dealership that will help. I'm thinking my first mistake was taking delivery "in the box" without a PDI ....which I didn't know, but believe suzuki requires. My dealer, Bayracer Marine in Havelock, NC said I didn't have to sign the delivery form (I told them, after all, they hadn't done any of the work they wanted me to sign saying they did. ) I've even written suzuki, but they just blow me off and now won't even answer my letters. Anyway, Bayracer told me that they had run another out of the box motor and it ran just like mine. Strange that they didn't invite me to see it, though, don't ya think? In fact, the owner started getting rude when I pursued my case and told me something to the effect that I was starting to make him mad. Some customer service, heh?

Regards, BB

(Just my opinion but I have the records to prove it!)

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

BB
no worries
I saw no rudeness, after 2 kids an exwife and 6 years in the USN my hide is a tad thicker than that .

its really really rare that suzuki will deal with a customer directly, thats what the dealership is supposed to do.

like I say I only know one suzuki dealer I can vouch for and its a good 5 hour drive from your place.

Fridays is a suzuki dealer and has been suzuki only since about 1980.
I know its a long drive but you may be out of options.
so I cant say whether you have an actual engine issue or a percieved issue as I dont deal with them.
if its an engine issue I have no doubt of the abilities of Friday's marine.

 

[clanton]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

Take it to Fridays. You might also try Whalen`s marine in Chesapeake, VA. I also think Suz would take some interest in this, they warranty the engine not the dealer. Where you located in NC?

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

the factory warrenties the engine to be free from manufacturing defects but the dealer has to find the defect.
suzuki really doesnt have the facilities to hunt defects. thats why they have dealers.
some dealers have better techs than others.

 

[lifeisfun]

Re: Suzuki DF9.9/15 Manual Start Compression Release

So when you twice tested another 2 motors did they have the same problem ?