Teen Driving

zach103

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Alright heres the story.. in our local paper a lady wrote to the editor about an accident..

Heres her rant.."At 7:20 a.m. Monday, May 5, I was driving my daughter and my neighbor’s children to McGee when we drove by a horrific accident at the inter*section of Norton Road and Four Rod Road. As we approached it I worried about the three girls in my car and what their reactions would be as we got closer and noticed the SUV upside down. As we drove by I was completely in shock and it was hard to take it all in when my daughter said “Mom, I think Liz’s car was next to the SUV”. Liz is a very dear friend of mine who I have known for many years, and my heart sank. I dropped the kids off at school and saw the look of fear on my daughter’s face. I just kept hoping it was not Liz’s car. I drove back home by the accident and I did notice (even in all the chaos) it was her car. I did not see her anywhere but I prayed she was OK. I wondered how fast the person driving the SUV must have been going for it to turn upside down.
Liz called me at work a short time later after I left a message at her home and she assured me she was fine just very upset. It is a miracle that this young kid’s SUV did not land on her car instead of right beside it. He could have killed her! I think it’s time we as residents of Berlin and parents put a stop to the “out of control” driving of these young kids. They go so fast and they endanger the lives of so many people. Once all the details of the accident are made clear I hope that he not only loses his license but realizes how much worse it could have been. He could have killed someone’s mother, father or someone’s child.
Today we are lucky that a wonderful woman is going to be fine, however, due to the disrespect of this young man a lot of people suffered today (including all the young kids driving by who witnessed this accident). What happens when our luck runs out?"

now the article 5 pages later

A three vehicle accident at the intersection of Four Rod Road and Norton Road May 5 resulted in a Chevy station wagon getting flipped over on its hood. Injuries were minor and a citation was issued to one driver for failure to grant right of way.
The incident occurred at 7:20 a.m. Elizabeth Dattilio. 43, of 55 Jeffrey Lane, driving a 2006 Subaru, was stopped at the stop sign in the westbound land of Norton Road at the intersection with Four Rod Road. Behind her was a school bus and that driver witnessed the accident.
Kenneth Pausig, 18, of 241 driving a 1997 Chevy station wagon(it was a blazer**), was stopped at the stop sign at the intersection in the east bound lane on Norton Road. Pausig had begun to enter the intersection when he was struck by Laura J. Petrossi, 25, She was also traveling northbound on Four Rod Road, driving a 1997 Buick.
Police said it appears that Petrossi’s vehicle impacted with Pausig’s at just the right angle to cause it to flip over. The vehicle rolled onto its roof as it crossed the intersection and landed next to Datillio’s vehicle and hit her on the driver’s side.
Drivers gave varying accounts of how the accident unfolded, but police determined through physical evidence that Petrossi had failed to grant the right of way to Pausig. He was transported by Hunters Ambulance to New Britain General Hospital for lacerations to both arms and head. Petrossi drove herself to the same hospital for back pain.

what do you guys think???
 
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Bondo

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Ayuh,......

If there had been a Tractor Trailer parked within a Block of it,......

It would have been His Fault.............
 

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I think some teen drivers (ones who drive like I drove) need to be reined in because they give a bad name to the majority who drive responsibly.

I think Elizabeth Dattilio owes Kenneth Pausig a public apology.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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I'm sure someone if not several involved were distracted from their driving. Things can happen in just a few seconds that can ruin a persons day.

Teen accidents in Ohio has dropped since teens can only have other teens in the car providing that a family member over 21 is with them. It has been proven that the more teens that are in a car, the chances of an accident is higher for each teen in the car. To me driving is a job that demands full attention by the driver. I've had many close calls. They wouldn't have been close calls if I hadn't been paying attention to my driving and the traffic around me. I now have over 150K miles in my company van without any incidents of any kind. I did have an accident back in 82 that almost claimed my life. To this day, my friends and myself do not know how I walked away from it. Guess it wasn't my time to go.

Please be careful out there. The highway has the highest odds of anything in getting you killed or hurt.........SS
 

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Teens as a general rule are poor drivers. They don't necessarily break the rules, but they don't have the experience necessary to drive defensively. In the news story, it appears that the teen driver was not at fault. However, it also appears that he didn't anticipate someone else violating his right of way--something that a more experienced driver would have probably done.

The thing is, I don't know if their poor driving is because they're young, or because they're inexperienced. If you started people driving at the age of 30, wouldn't they still make the same mistakes?
 

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If it was a 4-way stop intersection, the rant of the lady writing to the newspaper has very little credence. However, if it was a 2-way stop, the kid failed to acknowledge the crossing traffic and got hit. Rant is justifiable with a caveat. Even though someone runs a stop sign or light and violates your right-of-way, it is encumbent on you to avoid the accident.

Now about teen drivers in general - we all know teens shouldn't be allowed to drive until they're not teens any more. And maybe not even then.:D
 

zach103

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The thing is, I don't know if their poor driving is because they're young, or because they're inexperienced. If you started people driving at the age of 30, wouldn't they still make the same mistakes?

thats a big part of that.. im 18 like ive said before and i never been in an accident but very close.. and ill admit they wouldnt have been so close if i payed closer attention .. but the 2nd to last one wasnt my fault as i was going with the flow of traffic about 50 and they lady pulled in front of me.. i was the only one in the car so i was paying full attention.. my friends a couple cars back said all they saw was smoke . they couldnt see any other cars..

but just today i pulled up behind a car swerving a bit more than most ppl do and the person was right next to a big rig going the same speed so i got behind them maybe a little closer thna i should have but they were swerving enough to cause the big rig to swerve enough to freak me out.. so when we got by the truck a good 2 mins later i went to pass the truck and the person i was following gave me a break job just as i was inbetween them and the truck.. so as i drove by i could see it was a teenage girl texting .. she yelled out her window some stuff i couldnt hear.. couple miles down the road she was still swerving about.. so i called the state cops..

BTW it was a 4 way stop where the kid was hit. and its a busy one at that because the middle school (mcgee) is about 100 yards away
 

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and I have a 15 Y/O daughter that starts drivers ed next moth. :eek: There isn't an accident I drive by that I don't think about being her being behind the wheel. I can only hope she takes after moms driving skill and not dads skills, or the lack thereof. :D
 

zach103

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Yah and my dad made a good point about how the lady who wrote the letter doesnt have kids who can drive. her oldest is in 7th grade. so she doesnt have a teenage son or daughter that drives
 

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Cell phones are a terrible hazard with all drivers, worst if they are texting.

I was riding with my 42 year old son and he pulled out his cell and started texting. I snatched it away from him and threatened to throw it out the window. He now uses a bluetooth hands free, but still gets distracted by his conversation. It is not just youngsters and not just women who do this stupidity.

I have had two very near misses in the past couple years when young women pulled in front of me while yakking on a cell. One turned left from oncoming traffic and the other pulled out of a side street. Both looked straight at me and didn't "see" me. I suppose I should mention that both were blonde, but I am sure LF is too wise to do that. :)
 

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Re the article and letter... I guess someone feels a little 'tupid now don't dey? :D

To hit the SUV hard enough to flip it, the lady had to be going straight, or, was the worst driver in the world if she tried to take a left turn that fast... and if the teen had right of way while making a right-hand turn it had to be a four way stop. A more experienced driver would have done the same thing he did, because she was going so fast, that when he did his final looks, she had to be way back before the stop signs. It wasn't simply a matter of her coming to a stop then going out of turn... you can't get that kind of speed unless you run the stop sign without even slowing.

Both women should be publicly flogged.


Re: JB... I txt and drive occasionally, and have a spotless driving record (I have been hit by others a few times though, usually while stopped). I have known some people who don't drive distracted, who have horrible driving records. It really boils down to a person's mental and physical abilities to handle a vehicle and pay attention to what's going on around them. But that's not really PC to say that some people simply can't drive well no matter what. But it's the truth.

On the absurd side of things, about 7 years ago a guy passed me on the interstate while reading the newspaper... the newspaper he had spread out across the entire windshield. I don't know how he did it, but he stayed in his lane, didn't weave, etc. for at least the amt. of time that I was close enough to see him... which was only about a minute.
 

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It made me mad when I was a teen driver that I knew if something happened, it would be automatically thought to be my fault because of my age.

I've never been in an accident and had a single ticket, 10 years ago. While I can say I've learned a lot, you never stop learning and you can't stop stupid. Some things are just unavoidable.

One thing people forget is not only how important it is to learn how to drive, but learn how to crash. A friend of mine was in a t-bone collision at 55mph. Someone cut in front of him and he told me what he did wrong. He also told me what he did right. He walked away from the crash with only a hurt foot (discussed later), hurt hands and a bruise where his eyeglasses got jammed into his head by the airbag.

As far as your body is concerned, do not hold onto the wheel. You cannot hold back your weight in a 20g crash, so don't try. You'll hurt your hands at best, break your arms at worst. Turn your head to the side so the airbag will not deploy into your face, risking permanent eye damage. Also, close your eyes. Do NOT throw yourself across the front seat. If you are pushing hard on the brakes, expect to injure, if not break, your foot. Whether you want to do this until impact is each persons choice. In the milliseconds prior to a crash, you will likely only bleed off a couple of MPH at best before impact, if that is worth you risking breaking your foot, then that's your personal choice.

Cars are crash tested and proven strongest in a straight on collision. So if you know you are going to hit them, him them as square as you can and let the cars engineering in its crush zones do all the work. If you are going that fast then the car will be totaled either way, don't worry about the car. You focus on being the only survivor out of you and your ride.

This does not mean "give up" on avoiding a collision. But some are unavoidable, and trying to avoid them can make you hit the vehicle at a funny angle throwing you off the road into a ditch, flipping the vehicle, hitting at a weird angle that isn't the strongest to protect you in a crash, etc etc. In those cases, not trying to be a hero and simply aiming the car FOR the most solid, square impact may save your life.
 

ilmostro99

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I really don't mean to step on anybody's toes here, but let's face it, it is not only teens that are dangerous. I live in "Retirement Village, USA" and some of my nearest misses have come from elderly drivers. Teens are inexperienced and think they can handle a car as good as any race car driver, and nothing will happen to them, which is a dangerous combination, but the elderly are experienced and think their reaction time is as good as when they were in their 20's & 30's, and know that things can happen so often will drive 20 mph in the fast lane. This is just as dangerous. so let's not just pick on the teens here, it happens just as bad at the other end of the spectrum.
Erik - not a teen, not elderly (36 y.o.) and have done my share of stupid things.
 
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We see more and more reasons for GPS tracking all the time. As soon as any kid with or without a brain turns 16 and Daddy has the money the kid gets a car. The requirements are far to easy for them to get a license for one thing.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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I see more rolling stops at intersections. Then once they are turned, they never get up to the posted speed limit. If they are not in a hurry, then why don't they come to a full stop. I've been taught that a movement can cancel out the movement of a vehilce coming another way. Especially if it is a motorcycle. I've lost several friends due to people who rolled on thru stop signs. Of course they have the infamous words "I didn't see them coming" or "I'm sorry, I didn't see the motorcycle".

I agree that some people have no problem driving while no matter what, while some don't have the coordination to turn a door knob.

I don't know about the high schools in your areas, but around here, the bus's are many with few riders. However there are many kids that drive to and from school. It makes for real heavy traffic during morning rush hour and at quitting time. With gas being as high as it is, I think I would tell my kids to ride the bus.

As for the topics accident. You can take 10 different witnesses and get 10 different stories. The lady that wrote the article didn't stop to find out what happened. She just assumed that it was caused by the teen.

Drivers are a sore subject for me. Especially the elderly. Several years ago an older fellow got onto the expressway going west on an eastbound lane. People did well avoiding the man. Meanwhile here comes a 18 wheeler with a teen right on his tail. When the trucker moved over to miss the head on with the old guy,,,,,,,,,,the teen didn't have a chance to swerve out of the way and ended up with the head on collision. Both were dead at the scene. Following to close to a semi trailer is like driving with a blindfold on, you just can't see in front or around them.
 

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I am 72. In my youth I was a very good racecar driver. I "know how" to crash and I know how to avoid crashes, if they are avoidable. I drove fast, limit plus 10. In my first 40 years of driving I was hit from behind three times and T-boned by a guy who ran a stop sign.

That was then. This is now. When you get old you lose the feeling of immortality, you lose fast reaction times, you lose sharp vision and you lose sharp hearing.

Now I drive at the limit, but only in daylight. I don't drive at night at all. I stay twice as far behind the guy in front of me and if my cell rings I pull off the road before I answer it. I never take my eyes off the road. Fortunately my peripheral vision is still very good, about 180*. I expect every car in my field of view to do the stupidest possible thing and I try to prepare for that. That has kept me out of several crashes recently (see my post above about cell phones).

Am I a safer drive now? I don't think so, but I am certainly a much more careful driver. Maybe that makes up for weak vision and hearing and slow reflexes.
 

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i was told from a close friend of the family that the car kenny landed next to as he was climbing out of the car the lady yelled at him saying what the hell are you doing
 

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There is a reason why insurance rates for teenagers is as high as it is.

I have two daughters. The oldest, when she was 18. Somehow or other sideswiped a fire hydrant. I still have not recieved what I considered a satisfactory answer to why she sideswiped that hydrant--only that the police showed up, felt sorry for her for some reason- no drugs or alchohol were (apparently) involved, and she was not cited with any infraction. No one was hurt, thankfully.

No further transgressions with wayward fire hydrants, so I am somewhat confident she learned her lesson. She is now 30.

The youngest is thankfully blind, and I don't have to worry about her driving.

I do, OTOH, have to worry about who she rides with. A few years back, one of her friends had recently graduated from the University of Oregon in accounting when after drinking with friends he apparently mistook an off ramp for an on ramp on I-5 in Eugene, Oregon. A terrible crash ensued, although thankfully non-fatal. He did, however get convicted of a felony, and effectively ruined a promising career, aside from spending some time in jail.

And the bookeeper where I work just got her third DUI. She's 62 years old. Not sure what will happen to her, but she's looking at serious jail time.

Bottom line is the worry never stops. Probabilities may increase or decrease with age, but that only means a lot to insurance companies, and the risk remains and is always there.
 
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