Temp gauge problem

howe719

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Ok i just put a new sending until in the motor and my temp gauge still goes Neg. when i turn the key on??? is the gauge bad or what. I know the gauge works because i can get the gauge to go pos when i ground it out but when i hook it up to the sending unit and turn the key on it goes neg. When is no water in the thermostat housing would that be why the gauge goes Neg. I have not put the boat in the water yet. Maybe i have to put the boat in the water and get water running through it to work.

Let me know thanks
 

Don S

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Re: Temp gauge problem

You didn't use teflon tape on the threads of the sender did you?
 

howe719

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Re: Temp gauge problem

No the sender already had some red stuff on it. I didnt add nothing.
 

Coors

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Re: Temp gauge problem

I don't have it handy, but google trouble shoot gm temp gauge auto is the same.
 

marco_0521

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Re: Temp gauge problem

The sending unit is basically a thermistor, that is a device that changes its resistance depending on the temperature. A change in resistance changes the voltage that the gauge will read. The gauge is merely reading a voltage between 0 and 12 volts (depending on the gauge) and displaying it with a needle.

There are three posibilities on where your problem is located:

1. At the sending unit
2. At the gauge
3. In between

To test, you need to have a multimeter (you can measure voltage, resistance and current), you can buy one at Walmart for under $10. Also, you might need a long jumper cable that you can make yourself with #12 wire also from Walmart. Run the following five tests:

1. Test the sending unit: Use the voltmeter and measure the voltage between the sending unit and the engine block. You should be getting a positive voltage. If you get a negative or no voltage, your sending unit is bad.

2. Test the ground on the sending unit: If test 1 was OK, use the voltmeter and measure the voltage between the sending unit and the negative battery. Ideally, you should get the same reading as in test 1. If you get a different reading, your ground connection from the battery and the engine might be dirty or corroded and might need to be cleaned.

3. Test your gauge: After performing tests 1 and 2, you know your sending unit is OK. Now, read the voltage between the two terminals at the gauge. Ideally you should get a very close reading to the readings you got in tests 1 and 2. If you do, and still you get negative temperature, then your gauge has gone wrong. If you get a negative voltage that means your gauge is OK and is just translating the negative voltage into the negative reading.

4. Test the ground on the gauge: If your gauge is OK then you should be getting a negative voltage on step 3. Now, measure the voltage between the positive terminal on the gauge and the ground on the battery (using the long jumper cable). If you get the same voltage as in step 3 (a negative voltage) your ground is OK. If you get a positive voltage, then you have a ground problem.

Also, you might want to measure voltage between the ground at the gauge and the engine block. The voltage should be zero. If there is a different reading, then one or both of the grounds are not OK, and I would repeat tests 2 and 4 to find which one.

5. If your sending unit and your gauge are OK, then the electrical connections between both of them should be inspected. A wire might have a crack and it might be touching other parts of the boat providing thus producing voltage drops. I would measure the resistance in the cable that go between the sending unit and the gauge. Resistance should be close to zero. Other than that, then there is something wrong with that cable.

Post your findings please, and good luck.
 

howe719

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Re: Temp gauge problem

Found the problem.. I took the boat to the lake yesterday to find out she was getting hot and would not run right. My first thought was the Impeller so i took of the water in hose and nothing was coming out. That hose should be blowin water out. So i put it back on the trailer and went home and pulled the impeller out and she was completely gone. (i started 3 times over winter in the garage and didnt hook the water up my mistake) After i put the new impeller on it i hooked the hose up and she was stuckin water really nice. The gauge started to work. So to answer the question the gauge will read Nothing or alittle neg. when no water is in the system which was my case.
 

Don S

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Re: Temp gauge problem

Ok i just put a new sending until in the motor and my temp gauge still goes Neg. when i turn the key on??? is the gauge bad or what.

The impeller will not cause your gauge to read the wrong way.
It will cause an overheat, but when you turn the key to on, the impeller isn't even turning and isn't even in play.

So you found A problem, but not the one with your gauge.
 

Uraijit

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Re: Temp gauge problem

The impeller will not cause your gauge to read the wrong way.
It will cause an overheat, but when you turn the key to on, the impeller isn't even turning and isn't even in play.

So you found A problem, but not the one with your gauge.

The temp sensor can't get a reading through direct conduction, unless there's water flowing through the system. If there's no water, the only heat the gauge will see will be radiant heat, and indirect conduction, and it will not get a reading until the engine is VERY hot. At which point, you've probably done damage to the engine...
 

Don S

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Re: Temp gauge problem

When you turn the key on for the first time of the day it doesn't matter if there is water in the manifold or not. On a 70? day, the temp gauge would be at it's lowest setting

I would also want to know what is meant by "Goes Negative", I personally assumed it meant it was past the lowest gauge setting and was being pegged hard against the lowest setting. Which it shouldn't do.
 

Uraijit

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Re: Temp gauge problem

I took it to mean that there's a non-reading... Hence "negative". I don't know of any temp gauges that will actually give a "negative" reading. I guess some will if you wire them up backward, and there's not a needle-stop on the gauge...
 

howe719

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Re: Temp gauge problem

Just want to make a correction. i took the boat back out on the water and everything was working great with the new impeller expect the gauge again. The needle went negative way past the lowest temp number. I just the gauge out with a meter and it was shot. I just ordered a new one and install and problem is fixed. The gauge was bad.... that was the problem
 
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