The best way to check intermittent spark

stoked not

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My 1991 225 Johnson has a rough idle. I want to rule out any spark issues before I consider a carb rebuild. What's the best way to check for intermittent spark failure. Any test equiptment needed? If I had a spark problem wouldn't it effect the motor on WOT? She runs good at all other speeds.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Stoked Not
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

Stoked....You can use a timing light on each plug wire to see if you are getting spark at idle. If you get a light on every wire you probably have spark to each cylinder(provided your plugs are all good). You are right, no spark to a cylinder would affect WOT so you probably just have a carb problem. I once had a timer base that was dropping a cylinder at idle and I could not even tell it was idling rough, I only found out when that cylinder kicked in at higher rpm. Good luck.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

mmcpeck,<br />Thanks for the advise. I should probally clean the carbs.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

You can short out each individual sparkplug wire, looking for the one(s) that have no effect on the way it idles. When you short one that's firing, the engine will idle rougher. When you short one that's missing, you won't notice any difference in the idle.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

Hooty,<br />Sorry to sound stupid, bare with me I'm a IT guy learning OB's. When you say short out the plug. Do you mean to put the spark plug on somthing metel and watch the spark?<br /><br />Thanks
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

What ya do iz, remove the sparkplug wire from the plug and short it (the wire) to the engine block. It's not good to just take the wire off and let it flap in the breeze. If you handle the wire with the engine running, do it gingerly 'cause it packs about 40,000 volts and it'll light ya right up.<br /><br />c/6<br />Hooty
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

Stoked,<br />Get youself one of those 'rubber coated thingy's' otherwise known as insulated pliers to handle the plug boots. The voltage won't kill ya' but it will wipe the smile offya' face.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

I have a question about using a timing light to check spark. How much voltage does it take to fire a timing light? What I mean is, will a voltage to weak to fire a cylinder under compression fire a timing light?
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

The timing light needs a separate power source (hooks up to a 12V battery) -- instructions with the light would describe.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

It really depends on the timing light. <br /><br />The pickup is inductive, so it detects the magnetic field created when current flowes through a wire. Since if no spark occurs there is no completed circuit, no current flows, no magnetic field is created, and so the pickup detects nothing.<br />Weak sparks will make a weak field, which will set off a timing light depending on it's sensitivity. <br />Although the pickup focuses on feilds within the clamp, sometimes the strong magnetic feild from the ignition coil will set one off too. Test yours to see what kind of proximity you can get to it.<br />Finally, if a plug is fowled, it will still conduct, so it will set off the light too.<br /><br />I hope this answers your questions.<br /><br />EDIT: PS - really cheap timing lights that don't use inductive pickups (clip on ones) light purely from voltage on the spark plug wire. They usually go off at less than 5Kv (which is far too low for an adaquate spark).<br />EDIT 2: PPS - I've seen some poorly designed timing lights fire from (unintentional) capacitive pickup as well. These behave like the above mentioned cheap ones, going off even with no spark at all. Test yours to see.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

What I was getting at! and I think Paul answered the question. A timing light is not a very good tool for checking ignition problems. They were not designed for that. I never trusted those neon spark testers either for the same reason.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

Hooty....what is the method that you usually use to short the plug wire? I have used screwdrivers before when cranking, but what is the best way to ground it if you are pulling it off a running motor?
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

Hold the open end of the rubber boot against the block. The spark will jump this gap. Use insulated pliers of course.
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

hello<br /> I use a snap on inductive KV tester. normal firing voltage on your J/E is 5 to 7 KV. a fouled or wet plug will be as low as 2 Kv. if it is severly fouled the will be 0 kv cause the J/E coil is a double wire secondary. one side is grounde and the other side( plug gap) is open. if you ground both ends, as in the electrode is fouled with conductive carbon deposits the coil just becomes a shiney plastic thing along for the ride.<br />gotta be careful spark testing some of the 80' and 90's v6's. I have seen many that 1 cyl would not pass a spark test at cranking speeds and run fine and some will jump a 7/16th gap and miss at 800 rpm.<br /> good luck and follow the manmual. once you verify the plugs and coils are good use an analog peak reading meter and watch for small 50 to 60 volt fluctuations at the coil pimary tower.<br /> good luck and keep posting
 

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Re: The best way to check intermittent spark

Thanks to all, Interesting to get everyones feedback on this topic. It sounds like if I ground the wire while running motor I should keep the plug in and just look at the spark on the wire. I'll be checking it out this weekend.<br /><br />Stoked Not
 
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