The Good The Bad & The Ugly

mj05

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Thanks to the iboats forums, I think there are more newbies like me getting the boating bug! I was wondering what outboards are good and which to watch out for? For instance.... I know they aren't known for fuel economy but I've heard that some are better than others. Also reliability, simplicity and what ever else. I know everyone has their own opinions and maint. makes a difference but I still want your thoughts on this. Help us newbies out!!:D
I didn't post this in an engine forum because there seems to be heavy "traffic" here and I wanted both as many experienced as well as us inexperienced to see this! I can't wait to see what you guys have to say!
 

JimS123

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

What HP range and what size boat? If its a 14' tinny with a 9.9 you will get different answers than if its a 25 footer with twin 300s.
 

mj05

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

how about somewhere in the 50-100 range(plus or minus). Something typical on a smaller runabout/bowrider(probably not bigger than 18')
 

WN2712NJ

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

Without more information about what you want to do with a boat it is hard to provide much useful feedback. Boats/motors are often pretty specialized to the usage and environment. For example around here, folks who fish on the rivers tend to run "jets" (outboards that pump water thru a nozzle to provide thrust rather than using a prop). But for wakeboarding they would suck.

As someone who is still on the first boat (but 2nd motor) my advice would be to treat a boat, particularly a used one, as a whole in the water into which you pour money and to which a potentially very expensive and troublesome device called an outboard is attached.

Or put another way, the same hull can be worth $1000 to $10000, depending on what is hung on the transom. Various models and makes of outboards will have their advocates and detractors (except maybe Force, which I have yet to meet and advocate for). As a newbie, the only really safe route is a new, or almost new and still in warranty motor. Safe as in at least the warranty should cover repairs, as long as they are not a result of your errors. This is also the really expensive route, since new outboards go from around $1k (for a small trolling motor) to $20K+ (for the largest).

One advantage of an outboard for a newbie in a northern climate is that winterization is a pretty simple issue. My knucklehead neighbor killed the I/O motor on a brand new Bayliner by not winterizing it properly the first year. It became the 2nd dead boat in his yard, next to the older Bayliner with the rotted out interior, mushy floor, and dead Force outboard.

OTOH, if you've got time and are mechanically inclined, then now might be the time to buy a boat with an older 2 stroke outboard, with the assumption that you'll tear into it over the winter and get it in top shape for next season.

YMMV,

-dm
 

mj05

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

Figuring inland lake.... or bay not "big" water. Leisure, tubing,kneeboarding, family/friends. An all around type. That's why I just said runabout/bowrider.
 

JimS123

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

Buy a 2-stroke. A Yamaha, Evinrude or Mercury. It'll be lighter, easier to maintain and run real well. The extra fuel usage (and cost) will be insignificant if you use the boat like every other "average" user.

Buy a new one, then you'll have a warranty to fall back on, plus you'll know how it's been maintained because you will have followed the manual to the letter.

If you have to buy used, look for one no more than 6 or 7 years old, and buy it from a dealer with a warranty. If you deal with a private seller, be sure to get the service records.

You will get 100 different responses all with different opinions, none of which are right and all of which are right. What I recommended is what I would do, based on 55 years of running outboard motors.
 

NYBo

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

Various models and makes of outboards will have their advocates and detractors (except maybe Force, which I have yet to meet and advocate for).
Allow me to introduce myself...:p
 

sublauxation

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

I don't know about any new outboard as far as working on them, think the old ones with less computer stuff were easier for the do it your self type. This could get to be a Ford Chevy debate pretty quick but I'll tell the good and bad of my 2006 90 ETEC.

It's smaller and lighter than many of its rivals, has scary hole shot and while everybody comments on how quiet it is, it still has a mean sounding growl. It trolls a little too quick, I think a 4 stroke would troll better but they are heavy. I think the Etec computer can be programmed to run at a lower idle RPM to slow it down, just haven't bothered. Trolling tabs can fix that. It is a complex motor like all of the direct injection motors, I'm still intimidated by working on this motor myself. It has a great warranty, easy to winterize, practically starts before I turn the key every time...so far at least. No oil mixing is nice. Pulling a skier I get a lot better fuel consumption vs the 85 hp Chyrsler I had. I wouldn't trade it for anything. Most importantly, I also like the color!

Yammys and Mercs are good, a couple dealers I know swear a Suzuki 4 stroke is bulletproof. Best is probably whichever gets the best dealer support in your area.

Hope I was impartial enough so as not to upset or start a battle, just wanted to give the good and bad of my Etec as I see it.
 

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

I'll chime in for what it's worth on the mid-size four stroke. We've had our 2004 Yamaha F90 since late 06 and we really like it. Quiet and VERY fuel efficient (so I would challenge you on your fuel economy comment) but I'll concede to our Etec friend that at 496 odd pounds she's a big girl and being a 4 stroke, will have the timing belt and valve adjustment to worry about at some point. That issue doesn't exactly keep me awake at night tho. Being the last year before Yamaha went to direct injection on this size motor (I believe) I don't mind admitting the idea of keeping those four carbs in tune DOES keep me awake at night. It's been just fine the last 160 hours though...When the time comes I will head to the dealer for that kind of work.

It pushes our 17 foot Scout along at about 40 at WOT but I spend far more time loafing along about 25-28 mph.

Dead simple to winterize, which is a nice change from ten years of I/O ownership. Not that they are necessarily complex but you've got the block and manifold to drain come winter plus the outdrive is another maintenance item. I also really like being able to work standing beside the engine while the boat's on the the trailer as opposed to doing gymnastics in a cramped engine compartment.

All in all, we're a pretty happy Yammie Family. :)

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mj05

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

I'll chime in for what it's worth on the mid-size four stroke. We've had our 2004 Yamaha F90 since late 06 and we really like it. Quiet and VERY fuel efficient (so I would challenge you on your fuel economy comment) but I'll concede to our Etec friend that at 496 odd pounds she's a big girl and being a 4 stroke, will have the timing belt and valve adjustment to worry about at some point. That issue doesn't exactly keep me awake at night tho. Being the last year before Yamaha went to direct injection on this size motor (I believe) I don't mind admitting the idea of keeping those four carbs in tune DOES keep me awake at night. It's been just fine the last 160 hours though...When the time comes I will head to the dealer for that kind of work.

It pushes our 17 foot Scout along at about 40 at WOT but I spend far more time loafing along about 25-28 mph.

Dead simple to winterize, which is a nice change from ten years of I/O ownership. Not that they are necessarily complex but you've got the block and manifold to drain come winter plus the outdrive is another maintenance item. I also really like being able to work standing beside the engine while the boat's on the the trailer as opposed to doing gymnastics in a cramped engine compartment.

All in all, we're a pretty happy Yammie Family. :)

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As far as the fuel economy comment, I was thinking compared to an I/O, or are the new O/B's as good as them now? Are the newer 2strokes as good as the 4's?(I'm assuming they're better than the older 2strokes)
 

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

See, we can all play nice! Hope it stays that way.

That Yammie is pretty, bet she would troll like a dream. My dad has a 25 Yammie 4 stroke, it's a great motor. I had an incredible deal lined up on my ETEC and on a 115 Suzuki (never doubt EBAY, just be careful.) Weight was a big concern for me on my particular set up, if it wasn't those 4 strokes are nice, and that Yamaha Silver matches my boat which is a very important thing to consider.

On fuel economy I know nothing about IOs but the older 2 strokes wont do as well as the newer ones. There will be a lot of arguments on the new 2's vs 4's but I'd guess they are pretty close in all reality. As far as oil, 2 stroke oil isn't cheap, but then they don't burn that much of it.
 
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Mike Robinson

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

As far as the fuel economy comment, I was thinking compared to an I/O, or are the new O/B's as good as them now? Are the newer 2strokes as good as the 4's?(I'm assuming they're better than the older 2strokes)

As an example i replaced my 1994 carbuerated Johnson 150 with a new 2008 Etec 150 and I am finding I burn about 60 percent of the fuel I used to.
 

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

I hear you, sub - sometimes there's an overriding consideration that tips the scales on the decision. For me, it was the Scout I was after first and foremost. They come only packaged with Yamahas so my motor choice was pretty well made for me. Now, if I had heard bad things about Yamaha it would have factored in the overall decision but up to that point it was all good. This is my first 4 stroke so I was eager to try them out.

Etecs were just starting to make the scene on our lake and I didn't know much about them. I'd probably go that route given the chance though. I love the weight savings and that legendary hole shot.

As for fuel economy, I did some runs this summer that I carefully monitored for fuel usage and came up with 2.3 gph at 3500 rpm / 22 mph. I was going to post these numbers in another thread to get feedback because frankly they seem almost too good to be true. That's about 8 mpg! Now, that's just loafing along. My burn when dragging my kid on the tube at near WOT I'm sure isn't anywhere near that.
 

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

If it helps, I have a 15 foot Lund with a side console,30hp 4 stroke Merc.
The wife and I can boat for about 3 hours WOT on 3 gals of gas. Get us
going about 25 mph. Fast enough for the lakes around here.

Don
 

SNye45

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Re: The Good The Bad & The Ugly

I'll chime in for a Suzuki 115hp 4 stroke EFI. It has great fuel economy when pushing my 20ft boat at a comfortable crusing speed of 26mph. (I don't run wide open very often). The power is smooth from idle to WOT.

At idle it is hard to tell it is running it is so quiet, once my wife went to start it up when it was already running (I managed to stop her in time :).
 
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