The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

thebomer

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New here, and finding a lot of good info I wish I had last year ahead of buying my boat. After a friend got his, I mentioned to my brother that I would start looking for one for this coming season. Well he got the bug and started sending me links for boats for sale. We found one that looked to be in great shape. The boat was cleaned up nice and looked ready to drop in the water. It was a 98 Larson 270 Cabrio with a Volvo engine and penta drive.

He wanted $26,000 we told him $18 and he came to $20. Problem 1, we based the $18 on Nada, and never having owned a boat, I was clueless to the potential hidden problems. Problem 2, this guy was moving at the end of the week, (was packing his moving van while we looked at the boat) and we needed to make a quick decision. We should have decided to low ball him further, but we were happy to be getting into the boating world.

We picked up the boat and brought it to a marina in Winthrop, MA to have it de-winterized, bottom painted, and set up for the summer. First problem, the boat had an aftermarket inverter system, running from 4 6 volt batteries which were being charged by an oversized alternator hooked up to the engine. Essentially they were trying to use the engine as a generator. The guy recommended replacing the batteries for the season. So we dropped $600 on batteries and another $2500 on everything else. But the boat was working so we were happy.

We were in the water a few times before we noticed the voltage meter started running in the 9's when idle, and would shoot up to the 13's at around 1300 RPM. Then my brother went out and couldn't get the up to any speed without causing the engine to race, like it was in neutral and you were giving it full throttle back to none. So we called a different mechanic having realized the first guy was a rip off when discussing with some friends the work he did for the $2500.

Before the new guy came to look at it, I noticed a faint oil/gas smell but nothing was building up in the bilge and I had noticed it before. It was faint enough that I took it as a basic engine smell, less than you would get walking into a garage. I took it out to see if I noticed anything peculiar with the engine that would cause the racing and had no problem at all. When I got back to the slip, I opened the engine cover and noticed the belt going to the alternator was bouncing a little, so I tightened it up and thought maybe that had caused my brothers problem.

I then made the decision, very stupidly, to take the boat from Winthrop to Duxbury MA for a weekend. The weather turned somewhat rough on the way down, and the boat was hitting some decent waves. I was half there already and the forecast was supposed to be better the next day so I pressed on. When I got to my friends place in the harbor, I was about to anchor when a friend that made the trip with me and has a boat of his own advised me to pull up to a mooring and he would tie me on. I knew the boat would bottom out at low tide, but no big deal. We made it to the party exhausted from the ride down. Had a few drinks and it started to rain so we head back to the boat and go to bed. At 3AM we wake up to the boat crashing onto shore. I carried my anchor out as far as I could, but it was too late. We were beached for the day, so I thought. I check my nav system to see we are about 3 miles from where we tied up. I check the line he tied onto the mooring with and he had done it completely wrong. We had no chance of lasting the night with no waves, let alone the light chop we were getting. I should have checked it myself when we got there. At 4:30 after trying to sleep a bit, i get woken up by my buddy who tells me he's got to go. He had called his brother to come pick me up and was planning to leave me there for the day. Great. I lock up the boat and take a ride back home to drum up some people to help get the boat off the beach and take the ride north with me.

I find someone, the first kids brother feels terrible about leaving me stranded so he drives us back to the boat, and we wait about an hour for high tide. At that point someone is walking along the beach and helps give a light shove off the beach and we are under way. Drive across the harbor to fill up, and we're off on the most pristine day of the season. Great ride all the way home. Wash up the boat and head home from a long day.

The next night I get a call from the second mechanic. He finally had some time to head to the marina to take a look at the boat, but couldn't do anything. The bilge had 4 inches of fuel under the engine. The gas tank was leaking. Great. I do some Google searches, and found out the tank had been recalled. I called the Larson dealer in Bridgewater and arrange to get the boat down to them. While they have the engine out the replace the risers and some other normal stuff and most of the labor gets billed to Larson. Good for me. They are also the least organized shop I have ever seen. They did one thing at a time. To the point that I had a ding on the prop I wanted straightened out and they waited until they had finished all of the work on the tank and the engine before sending it out. So what should have taken 4 -5 weeks took 10. I lost the best part of the summer, when all of the rain had stopped and the fishing would have been great. They charged me another $1500-2000 in parts and some labor.

I get it back from them, and take it out. It won't go faster than 5MPH. I call them, and demand they come to me since I had already taken it out of the water and trailered it 45 miles once. They take another week to come up and take a look. I think they slipped the prop on wrong, but they were never really straight on what they did.

A week goes by and I take some friends out to fish. We notice a burning rubber smell so we shut down the engine, and open the cover to see the alternator belt had worn through and snapped. Also there is a voltage regulator hooked up to the alternator that had fried. I called Sea Tow, best investment I ever made, and got towed into the slip. I called them and they told me they did nothing that would have impacted the alternator. At this point I was done dealing with them. I probably should have fought them for some money back, but I just want the whole electrical system cleaned out and rewired.

I found a guy recommended by a few other boaters. He has on site storage and at the start of the season is on the water, so I don't need to worry about trailering the boat (I don't have a truck so was relying on friends) of registering the trailer. He just sent me the bill, $3000 to rewire the batteries, get rid of the jerryrigged 6 volt batteries (for sale if anyone is interested), repositioned the boat batteries adding battery boxes, rebuilt the circulator pump and repaired or replaced most of the pulleys. The entire time he worked on it, he kept me informed of the work he was doing and answered the phone or got back to me every time I called. I never chased him down once so I have faith his work was good.

It is now wrapped up and ready for the start of the season and I can?t wait to get out there. The plan is to rename the boat with a full ceremony, but we?ll see what happens.
 

JimMH

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

That was some Story. I purchased a new boat at the end of last season and only got out a few times. Planning on a lot of use this summer. Glad you seem to have taken care of all the problems. Hope you have a great 2010.
 

juntini

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Wow, what a story. I purchased my first boat this week. I looked at alot of boats new and used. I will say each used boat had something about it that just made my uneasy. I ended up buying new. I still haven't taken it out and would suspect since it's new it should be problem free to start. Anyway good luck on next season it sounds like you are commited to boating and having fun.
 

rbh

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

That story was painful, but atleast you are ready for season two!:)
 

paulspaddle

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Ouch!

Man, are you trying to revitalize the economy single handedly?

Hopefully you can take a break from this task and enjoy your boat more next season.
 

Subliminal

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Wow. That should be a sticky entitled 'What not to do when buying a used boat'. ;)

Oh well, you seem like you took it all like a trooper, and hopefully next season you'll be good to go!
 

Bucks45

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

You seem to have alot better attitude about it then I would have. I hope season 2 brings you alot more time on the water and less time in the shop.
 

TableRock#1

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

DAM I thought I had a bad first trip out. My first trip out in my new boat was a bad time. Factory put top cap down on fuel line then on hull, got just enough gas to get on plan then would die. Back to shop for two weeks, the life of a boater, just bend over.......
 

81 beachcomber

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

the life of a boater, just bend over.......

haha

hope things are all good this year, but hey its stories like that that make boating more enjoyable, EVERYBODY has bad experiences, thats what makes good happy hour stories after a perefect day out on the water...

my first launch of my boat, it wouldnt start at the ramp (had just ran it at my place before i brought it down) and when i launched it there was water pissing in through the transom through an unfilled bolt hole... Trip #2 and i got stranded 1hr away from anything.. had to spend the night while i fixed the motor (always carry tools btw)

and year 2 motor blew up...

But hey ive had tons of fun when all goes well and lots of funny stories out of it..
 

JoLin

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

I think it's great that you were willing to share all your mistakes and "gotchas". Great read for anyone out there shopping.

Similarly, I bought my boat in 2007-2008 and last summer was my first with it, too. Our boats are of similar type and vintage- I paid $17K with a ratty old trailer that I got $1000. for in trade on a new one. Unlike you, I had a survey and full sea trial (with the surveyor aboard) that revealed a bunch of little stuff that needed to be fixed. The dealer took care of them all for me. In the end my season was almost completely uneventful with the exception of a broken alternator belt.

I kick myself for that one- I saw that it was looking a bit worn, and even ordered the replacement- it was back at the house! Luckily I noticed the voltmeter dropping in enough time to make it back to the dock. Ruined my boating day, tho.

As you've learned, boats are expensive and frustrasting at times. Even tho my boat is in really good shape for its age, I have a Spring "punch list" as long as my arm! Here's wishing you a great second season.

Oh- make sure you do that renaming ceremony properly. You've had enough problems without pissing off Poseidon, too! :D
 

livin4real

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Ouch! Rule #1: If someone is selling an expensive item and packing a moving van at the same time......RUN!!!!!

My buddy had a similar event last summer as well. After he had bought his boat and put it in the first time a passerby at the dock walked up and said "Hey, I remember watching them pull that thing off the bottom of the lake" :eek:
Needless to say that's where the problems started. $10K later he had it running
 

kenmyfam

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Well at least you can talk about it.:redface:
You should by now have run out of bad luck.:eek:
Never buy a boat without a test run. Especially the price range you are in.
Guess you learned that now eh ???;)
 

NHGuy

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Good for you that you can tell that story in a happy tone.
Now next year do a little shakedown ride very close to home and use everything on the boat...twice. Then go back to the dock and check it again.
If it does everything you ask, go out for a real cruise next time.

Never trust mechanical things, watch them. Eventually you will be able to tell when, or if, trouble is brewing.
 

pduquette

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Welcome ! Now that you have licked all the salt out of your wounds , may I suggest a Boaters safety course ? Knowledge is GOLD !! Have you gotten down as far as the canal yet ? peter
 

thebomer

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Duxbury was the furthest I've made it. I want to make it up to gloucester this season, and maybe venture out to P-Town.

Hopefully I can get a lot more fishing in this season. Do you know of boat friendly beach areas other than Wingaersheek?
 

pduquette

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Just begining to find my sea legs , so I'm not a big help ... so much of the cape is turning protected seashore ... peter
 

jonesg

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Re: The horror of season one, and the hope for season two

Your story is similar to my neighbor's, he saw me working on my boat and had to have one. He paid to have everything done, spent thousands for shoddy work but wouldn't listen. I can understand our not being able to rebuild a V8 but mainatinance is something I had to either get used to doing or boating will soon become prohibitively expensive.

I went out to run the neighbors boat from quincy to hull for some work
( which I told him we could do ourself), he mentioned his bilge pump needed rewiring, simple stuff. He calls the next day and tells me it sank, 28 footer with twin V8's. All because he didn't want to do some simple bilge pump wiring. They got the boat floated at low tide but it was ruined, saltwater in the engines etc. One of the old salts at the yacht club is always saying you have to do the typical maintainance yourself. Its part of being responsible and staying ahead of the potential trouble areas. Mechanics fix what we say is broke, they will not take care of it like they own it, same as auto mechanics.

What you will learn around Boston is most of the boatyard workers are just cheap labor, not skilled techs. Verify everything they do.

To me, when I see an ad that states "dealer maintained" it says "needs a lot of deferred maintainance". They don't have time to give a crap.

Neighbor came by recently and tells me "I bought another ,a 24' grady"
Oh boy.:D
 
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