"The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

PW2

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Re: "The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

It clearly could have been written by Murky, as it makes no sense whatsoever.

First of all, Viet Nam was not a left vs right thing, it was a smart vs dumb thing.

The lesson from Viet Nam was the development of the "Powell Doctrine", which suggests when do these military adventures we:

1. Go into it with overwhelming force

2. Have a clearly defined military objective, and as much international support for that objective as possible.

3. Have a clearly defined exit strategy once the objective is achieved.

This was practiced to perfection by Stormin Norman in the first gulf war.

It was completely ignored in the latest Iraq war.

At least Bush is finally recognizing that he has succeeded in changing the balance of power in the region, and that Iraq is likely to become not our ally in the WOT, but Iran's ally, which of course is the last thing in the world we wanted.
 

OldMercsRule

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Re: "The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

It clearly could have been written by Murky, as it makes no sense whatsoever.

Especially if ya fire up a fat one prior ta readin' the article!!

First of all, Viet Nam was not a left vs right thing, it was a smart vs dumb thing.

Agreed that it was not Left or Right, (note how Liberals always think there soooooooooooooo smart n' everybody else is soooooooooooo dumb)!

The lesson from Viet Nam was the development of the "Powell Doctrine", which suggests when do these military adventures we:

Wrong. The lesson was don't go to war on a totally made up totally false pretence. Communism was worth resisting, it really was a menace to all mankaind n' killed more humans then any other philosophy/religion in history. Both absolute numbers and percentage of the people living on the earth. Did it stop the Democrats from workin' with the Commies? NO! They tried their best to loose to Communism, n' profit from the ol' disaster as FDR taught 'em ta do.

1. Go into it with overwhelming force

Wrong, we had overwhelming force, (yer allready into the stash again), we had the second worse President in history hand cuffin' our military n' cherry pickin' targets from the White House.

2. Have a clearly defined military objective, and as much international support for that objective as possible.

Ya do what ya have ta do to win IF YA HAVE TA GO TO WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE. War is the ultimate in selfishness that the Left does not get, (hopefully ya have some allies but ya win whether ya got 'em or not if ya go to war). Clearly defined military objectives, (as used by the modern Left) is to help our enemy beat us. We had clear objectives in Vietnam, we jus' had a terrible President doodlin' instead of lettin' the Generals win the war as Barry Goldwater would have done. N' the Left wanted a crushin' defeat. Both you and I grew up at that time and we both know the Jane Fonda types wanted the Commies to crush us. That is the point of this SPOT ON ARTICLE. The Loons in the Left in the late 1960s and early 1970s knew they were workin' closely with the KGB, (John Kerry knew as well). They wanted us beaten! They spit on OUR SOLDERS!! I was there n' so were you. THE ENEMY WITHIN BEAT US, we could have supported the South and they may have held!! Teddy Oldsmobile n' his crowd of dim wit Dems intentionally CAUSED THIS DISASTER!!

3. Have a clearly defined exit strategy once the objective is achieved.

This was practiced to perfection by Stormin Norman in the first gulf war.

Boy PW2 yer really tokin' now. We should have dropped kicked Japan n' Germany n' South Korea ya say? Fire another pipe load up my friend. The first Gulf war directly lead to what we have today. It was a failure as was WW1!!! Sheeesh.

It was completely ignored in the latest Iraq war.

'Cause it is upside down, like most Left wing Liberal carp!!! If ya actually go ta war ya stay 'till what ya wanted to hapen actually happens. REAL SIMPLE: Mrs Jones!! It may be 100 years: who knows?

At least Bush is finally recognizing that he has succeeded in changing the balance of power in the region, and that Iraq is likely to become not our ally in the WOT, but Iran's ally, which of course is the last thing in the world we wanted.

Ah! that is exactly what the Left wants. It is the logical result of their propoals PW2. Can Murky have a lil' of that smoke? It must be soooooooo strong that jus' a bit would send Murky's brain cell into orbit so I could see the world upside down JUST LIKE YOU DO. Thanks fer the reply. Respectfully, JR
 

PW2

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Re: "The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

Murky, I know you don't like anything you percieve as "left" regardless of the evidence. Beyond that, I really can't make heads or tails out of your argument
 

OldMercsRule

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Re: "The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

Murky, I know you don't like anything you percieve as "left" regardless of the evidence.

What evidence PW2? My reply was full of historical evidence n' actual facts ya choose to ignore or can't understand. Stop smolkin' wacky tabaceeee fer a day n' re read the initail article n' my reply. It can make sense if ya let it sink in.


Beyond that, I really can't make heads or tails out of your argument

Got some of that powerful smoke? Ol' Murky would like ta orbit the planet too! :D:D JR
 

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Re: "The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

The only reason we 'lost' in Vietnam, and the only way we could lose this war, is by the liberals in this country undermining our efforts for purely personal political gain.
If the US wins the Dems lose. So the Dems will do everything they can to ensure that they can at least claim that we lost, even as we win every battle we fight.

Democrats, snatching defeat from the brink of victory for nearly 50 years.

General Giap said:
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!"
 

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Re: "The Left Loses the Vietnam War"

Originally Posted by General Giap, North Vietnam (memoirs)
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media were definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We were ready to surrender. You had won!"

I alluded to this in another post (without the direct quote). It makes no difference to the American National Socialists (Democrats) including those on this forum. It does not fit into their formulas that America has to be bad so they can punch their ticket to secular Liberal Valhala.

They are trying desperately to do the same thing with Iraq. They know they were able to dupe the American Public before and they are sure they can do it again.
 
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