thoughts on this boat?

marine4003

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

That all depends on what its primary purpose will be...fishing...tubing...water skiing...crusin' ??? its a small boat,17 feet for 8K.... alot of money for a boat with limited capability's...
 
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DJ

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

Looks VERY clean for a boat that age. Worth it, IMHO.

If you buy it, git rid of that remote oil fill. They cause a alot of problems (water ingestion, etc.)
 

jonesg

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

this boat is kinda what i'm looking for. Does the buy it now price seem fair? I may go take a look if the auction ends without a sale.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1999...ryZ80652QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I would prefer to buy from private party to elimninate the profit margin a dealer makes, its a car dealer too, they don't know boats.
Engine is described as mercury, model is a Johnson? ...doh!
vehicle description is just a car description from their computer.

Its also being sold as is.
Might as well buy private party then.


There are no deals so good I cannot afford to walk away from.
 

cordell

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

Careful the first thing in the add is..... Boat and Trailor sold as is


just a thought
cordell

OK I looked at the rest of the add. This looks like a really nice boat! It is under powered the 115 motor is less than the 140 it is rated for. There is a formula for smaller motors on boats but I am not sure how it goes. WOW again under the Warranty Info it reads...The seller shall not be responsible for the correct description, authenticity, genuineness, or defects herein

I would think the seller SHOULD be responsible for at least the correct description, don't you?

Be Careful

cordell
 

SnappingTurtle

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

... I would think the seller SHOULD be responsible for at least the correct description, don't you?

Be Careful

I agree ...

"Description

This vehicle is looking for another proud owner. It appears that the previous owner of this vehicle was a non-smoker. This vehicle's body does not have any damage at all or any signs of repaired body damage. Looks like it did the day it was driven off the lot as a brand new car. From this vehicle's appearance, it appears to have been garaged. This vehicle engine runs very, very smooth. The vehicle's electric is working perfectly. This cream puff is a top-flight used vehicle, with no known defects. Overall, this vehicle's exterior is clean. With an interior like this, the only thing that I could call this vehicle is extra clean."

... and ...

"You can locate shippers by doing a search for `auto shippers`."

Seems they are not really sure what it is they are selling, it does look clean, a little underpowered though, and the trailer ...

It is listed as it is being sold by a Auto Dealer, but shown at a private address loaded with personal objects, are they part of the sale?
 

Btuvi

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

If this boat is as appearance suggests and the kind of boat you want you could make a good buy. Your approach is good. You said that if it did not sell through bid process then you are in a position to check it out before making an offer.

The seller has an excellent rating on ebay which inclines one to think that they are not out to deceive. In this instance they may be lacking in boat knowledge and therefore are mostly going on appearance and what they have been told themselves.

As a guess I would suggest that they probably have a reserve in the $6500 range and, given the time of year/season would be lucky to find a buyer. Should it not sell now they may be faced with hanging on to it until next year when it would be worth less and, faced with an uncertain economy, be more difficult to sell.

Seaswirl has been around a long time and makes a good boat. I don't know much about engines but if you post a request for knowledge/experience for this particular one in the outboard mercury forum you will get some very good guidance. Also in that forum do a general check for this engine.

Boat may be underpowered for some but do the job handsomely for you. Surely it will pull skiers, for instance.

Ask the seller about accessories. If those shown are included that is a plus.

Trailer may not be top of the line but if as represented looks to be in excellent shape.

If you are in a position to check it out do so asap. Report back what you find and get more opinions before making offer.

Boat and trailer condition are not so difficult to check out. Engine requires a compression check or a good test run. Knowlegeable folks here would suggest that it would be worthwhile to pay someone to conduct an engine check.

Good luck. Let us know steps you take and end result.
 

lets_fish

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

Thanks for the opinions. i thought the description was strange too. i thought it may be a car dealer listing for someone because they obviously used their generic car ad. i don't want to get into an Ebay bid war on a used boat. i have been watching auctions of boats i may be interested in,then if they don't sell at least i have an idea of what the high bid was and i can go back and possibly make a deal the old fashioned way. being near the end of the season is a plus too.
I do want a smaller boat in the 17-19 ft range and do prefer an outboard. It will probably carry 2-3 people. i will be storing at my house and don't want to store a monster. Also am i correct in thinking an outboard will be easier maintenance and easier to winterize myself? (i am at least an hour from any marinas)
 

109jb

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

Why do you have to wait for the auction to end to go look at it. Go ahead and contact the seller and ask if you can come look at it now. It's done all the time. Then you know what it is and if you would like to bid on it.
 

Zamboni

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

I wouldn't pay the 8,000 Buy It Now-its a very good deal if you bid 5k and nobody bids it up. That is if the engine is as described, 100 hours and running like new.

Boat looks clean, in Jersey and its seen salt water so needs a thorough inspection. Noticed the Rocket Launchers for trolling, got a nice pull-pylon....115hp should be adequate.
 

lets_fish

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

Why do you have to wait for the auction to end to go look at it. Go ahead and contact the seller and ask if you can come look at it now. It's done all the time. Then you know what it is and if you would like to bid on it.

well the way i see it if i go look at it,maybe an hour ride each way, and have it professionally inspected then i have time and money invested into it. Then if i get outbid then i'm out that time and money.and i think i may be inclined to get carried away in the bidding process since i have time and money invested in it. I'm not in any hurry so i prefer to sit back and wait for a nice deal.
BTW i missed where it said salt water use in the description. the price would have to be very right.
 

cordell

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

I asked the seller about the description and the part where it says seller is NOT responsible for the description and here is the sellers reply....


That is how the template is set up for the listing I guess to cover ebay.... Its scary in any situation to purchase something when not comming to see it first anyway.... thanks Erik


To cover ebay? no to cover the seller! lol

I would definitely go see it if you are really interested, even the seller recommends that. He has a good feedback over all, a bit low and a withdrawn from a buyer. But ebay has its own protection and does not need to add things into any sellers descriptions.


cordell
 

Btuvi

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

You can go visit and get a good feel for the boat without hiring an inspector. You can even make a low offer subject to inspection and test run without referring to your awareness of ebay auction. There are any number of valuable things you can accomplish with a visit without committment or even showing serious interest. Anthing you do will prepare just a little more for the time when you decide you do have a serious interest.

Saltwater usage should not preclude your being interested. It is what happens after that usage that makes the differenc. That is where the marine mechanic comes in handy.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: thoughts on this boat?

The boat has obviously been well taken care of. Even if it was detailed prior to the photos being taken, its hard to hide past wear & tear. That said, I wouldn't contemplate spending thousands of dollars on any boat without inspecting it personally. For that many thousands of dollars, I would also want a trusted marine dealer to inpsect the engine.

Depending on what you want to do with the boat, I don't think it is underpowered. Yes, it can take up to 140 hp, but that doesn't mean that 115hp isn't enough.

One of the things that I think I would do very quickly, if I were thinking seriously about this boat, is to find out what ten year old Seaswirls typically sell for. My guess is that the engine alone is worth about $3,000. I just "googled" for a minute and found that there is a Seaswirl dealer in Jersey by the name of Coty Marine - they have stores in Perth Amboy, Seaside Heights, Toms River & Wildwood. I would talk to them and just act like a potential customer. Tell them what you are interested in and see if they have a used model. Ask to see the boats and ask the for the listed price. You never know, $8000 might be a bargain for this boat.

As for the 100% feedback, its a nice thing to see, but may or may not be important. Look at what types of items the seller has auctioned in the past. If he/she has sold a bunch of high ticket items, and has a bunch of happy buyers, its a good sign. On the other hand, if he/she has been selling garage sale type items, about the most you can get from the rating is that the person is a nice person, who describes what they have for sale well. It doesn't mean that they might have a clue as to potential problems with this boat.

On warranties - I don't find the "as is" statement to be unusual at all. Private sellers put statements like this in ads for boats, cars, etc. all the time. When I sell something like a car, I put it in the bill of sale also. Mine says, point blank, that I warranty nothing! That is exactly what caveat emptor is all about. Its not that the seller is trying to get over on anyone, but honest people can sell something with a defect that they truely don't know about. While they might choose to "make something right" if an issue comes up, there can be situation where they just don't feel resposnbie for a particular circumstance. Some here might remember the thread where one of our members sold a boat that was running just fine, and the buyer then blew the motor up the first time he used it.

One thing about this boat does make me curious - the prop shows a lot of paint wear for only having 100 hours on it. It looks to me like the owner was digging a little mud or sand with it at one time or another. While there are no signs of an overheat when you look at the apint on the powerhead, I would ask the question. Additionally, some of the folks here might know if a 2001 Johnson has a computer/memory in it that would reveal such problems. If it does, that will come up during the engine inspection.

I say, find out what its worth, go see it, get it inspected and make your offer. As clean as the boat is, this might be the right deal for you.
 
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