Tilt/trim begginer question

thrasher

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Hi Everyone, I just joined and have a basic question for you all. :confused:
I purchased a 1991 Glastron 19' boat with a mercruiser 4.3L engine and Alpha1 stern drive (its my first ever boat). The electrics have been seriously attacked by previous owners. :mad:
I have now repaired most of the damage and everything seems to be working as it should. ;)
I recently cleaned the trim position sensor (on the starboard side of the stern drive gimbal) so that my trim gauge now goes up and down and correctly shows the position of the stern drive. There is a position switch on the port side of the gimbal which according to the wiring diagram is connected in series with the tilt control.
So to get to my question.. The throttle has two 2-way toggle switches mounted on it, one is marked TRIM (up/down) and the other TILT (up/down). The trim switch allows me to raise or lower the propellor as far as is mechanically possible by the hydralics. The tilt switch allows me to lower the propellor as far as is mechanically possible, but to only raise the propellor to a preset position (controlled by the position sensor switch on the gimbal).
I purchased a Handbook for this motor/sterndrive and it says to adjust the position sensor so that the tilt switch stops when 6.5" of the raise/lower hydralic ram is sticking out. This doesn't make any sense to me so I wanted to ask what are the intended functions of tilt and trim? :confused:

My assumption was that Trim is used to trim the propellor to any position when the boat is moving. Tilt is just used to raise the propellor out of the water when you want to put the boat on the trailor. Therefore I expect the tilt control to stop just before the propellor has reached it's maximum height, which is about 11" of hydralic ram showing, not 6.5".
As this doesn't match with the manual, I now assume Tilt is used for something else?
Could anyone please explain the purpose of the Tilt control on a mercruiser stern drive? And when it is meant to be used for? Trim gives full range of mouvement, Tilt has a restricted range of mouvement, why do you need tilt? or should what I am calling Tilt really be called trim? As the electrics had been messed about with, these 2 switches could easily have been switched around by me or a previous owner.

Maybe trim is used to raise and lower the propellor and tilt is used to change the propellor when the boat is moving, then a maximum of 6.5" of hydralic ram showing, would make sense as it would not have the propellor coming out of the water by very much? Just trying to understand what seemed a very simple problem!!

Many thanks.
Gary
 

JB

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

Mercruiser is an I/O, not an outboard, Gary.

I will move this to the Mercruiser Forum.
 

athiker

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

I'm sure you will get better answers than this from the more mechanically skilled, but...

I believe the gist of what you are asking is why have 2 controls, and further why set one to a more restrictive range than the other. One control will be used as you mentioned for raising the drive very high for trailering. The other with the limited range will be used on the water during engine operation. It is my understanding that operating the engine with the drive fully raised can be harmful to the 'u' joints, thus the need to have a limited range button so you don't do this unintentionally.

My 2000 Mercruiser control has a limited range up/down thumb switch as well as a separate button that only raises the drive...but raises it much further. I beilieve it is actually labeled 'trailer'.

Hope this helps till others chime in. Enjoy the boat!...and be safe.
 

Reel Poor

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

You must be using a Clymers or Solec manual. :rolleyes:

Basically you understand how the system should operate. The confusion is in "Trim vs Tilt. The trim is what should be limited by the "Trim Limit Switch" on the gimble ring. Trim is what is used when running the boat to change the running angle of the drive. Tilt is used for tilting the drive up to the extreme for trailering purposes.
 

Bondo

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

Ayuh,...........

And the motor should Not be run Above the Trim Limit,.........

If it's in the Tilt range,...... It'll Rip Up abunch of Stuff.................
 

Captain Lucy

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

Can anybody elaborate on not running a motor in the raised/tilt position. I just read a reply about it "tearing up a bunch of stuff". What happens to the motor? What do you do if you are in very shallow water or run up on a sand bar that you can back out of?
 

Mischief Managed

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

Can anybody elaborate on not running a motor in the raised/tilt position. I just read a reply about it "tearing up a bunch of stuff". What happens to the motor? What do you do if you are in very shallow water or run up on a sand bar that you can back out of?

There's a pair of universal joints that connect the engine to the stern drive. With U joints, the more angle they have, the more the velocity of the output side varies as compared to the velocity of the input side. When angled, the "output" of the U joints will accelerate and decelerate twice per revolution so instead of a smooth power delivery from the constant speed of the engine, the prop and everything else in the drive is consatntly changing speed, in a manner which peaks 4 times per revolution. This puts huge stress on the U joints. The stress increases dramatically as the angle increases and as a function of the square of the speed (so doubling the speed quadruples the stress). You want to avoid running the engine, even in neutral, with the drive tilted up.

On a Merc: Purple/white wire connects to the trim button (and uses the trim limiter switch on the gimbal. Blue/white wire connects to the tilt switch and bypasses the trim limit switch.
 

thrasher

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

Thanks everyone for the replies. It seems my trim and tilt switches where swapped (probably because the trim limit sensor was broken, so someone (a previous owner) just swapped the switches and used the tilt for trim!!). I have fixed the trim sensor switch and swapped the tilt/trim switches back, so everything now works as lord Mercury intended..
Thanks for explaining what tilt and trim are used for.

Gary
 

valkyr

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

On a Merc: Purple/white wire connects to the trim button (and uses the trim limiter switch on the gimbal. Blue/white wire connects to the tilt switch and bypasses the trim limit switch.

Gary,

MM only knows that because of the pain I recently went through replacing my shifter and trim/tilt buttons ROFL
 

valkyr

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

On a Merc: Purple/white wire connects to the trim button (and uses the trim limiter switch on the gimbal. Blue/white wire connects to the tilt switch and bypasses the trim limit switch.

Gary,

MM only knows that because of the pain I recently went through replacing my shifter and trim/tilt buttons ROFL
 

thrasher

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Re: Tilt/trim begginer question

Thanks Valkyr,

The wire colors you give now match my setup. The purple/white wire was going to the tilt switch before. I now have it as you suggested and I also understand the trim/tilt control. I will set the limit switch tonight to 6.5" as per the solec manual..
Now I just have to fix my starter mount mount problem (see new thread!).

Thanks Gary
 
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