Time for some maintenance (general waffling)

Simoniz

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So, I look after my boat quite well, but Im aware its probably due for some TLC. Its a 2000 model Baylner 1750 with 3.0l Merc, Alpha 1 Gen 2 drive. Spent its first few years of life in the sea but has been run in freshwater for the past 12 years. All bellows and water hose were replaced about 10 years ago (so I reckon ready to be done again) Impellor has been done about every 3 - 4 years, but just pinching a water hose on the engine at idle shows that the water pressure is good.

However I was running around the lake last week and ended up in a shallow area and after clearing the area. I raised the drive to the trailer position to pull some weeds of which had accumulated around the prop and drive leg. When I set off again and had the boat planing, I was surprised and puzzled to hear the exhaust much louder than normal momentarily, but then it settled down again to normal running, engine temp where it should be and nice and quiet as usual. A few miles further on while making some turns I started to hear the loud exhaust noise again and simultaneously a sound like a horn. Well the penny dropped and I shut the engine down straight away and had a look to see what had gone wrong.

Obviously low water flow was the issue. Thankfully I had fitted a temperature alarm to the exhaust of the boat several years ago which is what Im hoping saved the day. This consists of a temperature switch fixed to the exhaust downstream of the riser which, if the exhaust temp goes over about 60 deg C sounds the buzzer under the dash. Ive since worked out that if ever you hear a louder than normal exhaust noise from the boat, it means that theres not much water flowing through the relief ports on the outdrive, so the exhaust takes that way out, instead of exiting through the prop as it should.

On inspection the water hose on the drive felt loose and with a bit of a tug, came away from the lower pipe stub on leg. The boat is still in the water so I cant yet see exactly what has gone wrong, either the pipe has split annularly near to where ot was clamped onto the stub, or the jubilee clip has failed and allowed the pipe to come off. I think the split pipe is more likely, as the boat ran fine betwen the 2 events, which it wouldnt have dome if the pipe had come off completely, and if the pipe was on the point of failing, turning or raising the drive would pull any split open as the old stiff pipe was pulled out of its natural straight position.

Anyway, Im hoping that I shut off the motor before the overheat did any serious damage, but Im proposing to pull the head off and check for warping and see how the gasket is looking over the coming winter. Since the boat was in a salt environment for a few years, some of the head bolts are unrecognisable, ie they just look like a lump of rust, and so in any case I cant help but think it would hepl reliability to get rid of them and replace them with new ones. Thing is though, Im never going to get a socket on them as theres nothing left that resembles a bolt head, so Im planning on just drilling whats left of the heads away, and then winding out the shank of the bolts with a pipe wrench when the head is off. Anyone know how hard the steel of those bolts is going to be to drill?

Apart from that I plan to do all the stuff to make my boat reliable again, new bellows, pressure test drive, new gimbal bearing, check alignment, new impellor.

If anyones interested I might post some pics of what I find as I go on.

Ive done all that work before apart from pulling the head off and doing the gimbal bearing; are there any tips / pitfalls to either of those jobs that I could do with knowing about before I start?

Cheers!
 

harringtondav

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Three thoughts: An ossicilaton tool with several metal blades or carbide blades to cut the bolt heads off. Or grind the bolt heads clean enough to weld 1/2" rod to them and use your pipe wrench. We used a nut cracker like device to clamp and pull dowell pins- like a nut splitter. If you have the clearance, you may get enough grip to hammer-punch to break away.
 

Bondo

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but Im proposing to pull the head off and check for warping and see how the gasket is looking over the coming winter.

Ayuh,...... Pull the motor, Outa the boat, 'n mount it on a stand 1st,.....

Once ya get to the head bolts, Weld a big ole nut on top of the rusted up bolt heads,.....
It'll give ya a way to get a wrench on 'em, 'n the heat from weldin' helps loosen the bond the rust has now,....
Throw water on 'em, as soon as the weldin' ends, 'n ya may not even need a wrench,.....
 

Scott Danforth

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Hammering on a smaller metric socket often works
 

harringtondav

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Ayuh,...... Pull the motor, Outa the boat, 'n mount it on a stand 1st,.....

Once ya get to the head bolts, Weld a big ole nut on top of the rusted up bolt heads,.....
It'll give ya a way to get a wrench on 'em, 'n the heat from weldin' helps loosen the bond the rust has now,....
Throw water on 'em, as soon as the weldin' ends, 'n ya may not even need a wrench,.....

Perfect. Listen to the master. BTW, that's what I really meant to say.:cold:
 

Simoniz

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Cheers for the advice guys. I dont think Ill be pulling the motor out to be honest. I dont have a crane and the boat will be on blocks at the waterside with no facilities there apart from electrical power. I dont have a trailer and if I did I dont really have a workshop, just a cellar with an bench and a vice, so Ill just bring the outdrive and head home and work on it there.

Thanks for the tips about removing the head bolts. I might try welding something on to them but at present they just look look a blob of rust and I doubt there is any metal left to weld to, which is another reason I want to replace the bolts; I dont want one or more of them to fail when I give it a right armful of power out on the lake one day. Im kind of damned if I do and damned if I dont. Im sure if I leave the bolts and head that they will be almost rusted away, but I equally sure that as soon as I commit to getting them out, then there will be plenty of good hard steel left which will proe resistant to welding, drilling, grindig and anything else I can throw at it (including water on the red hot metal after welding!).

Lets see...

I thought there was a bit of advice in the stickies about replacing gimbal bearings, but I cant seem to see it. Im assuming its just remove circlip (if fitted), then make up a puller and pull the old one out. Is there an oil seal at the back of it? When I put the new one in, is there a hole for the grease which must align with the grease point?
 

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then there will be plenty of good hard steel left which will proe resistant to welding,

Ayuh,..... Just turn the amps up, 'n burn 'em in,......

Head bolts are just steel, 'n weld well,.....

By the sounds of it, you might be better off to find a runnin' freshwater motor in a rotten hull, for cheap,.....
 

achris

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...I thought there was a bit of advice in the stickies about replacing gimbal bearings, but I cant seem to see it. Im assuming its just remove circlip (if fitted), then make up a puller and pull the old one out. Is there an oil seal at the back of it? When I put the new one in, is there a hole for the grease which must align with the grease point?

New Mercury bearings are sealed and non-greaseable. I think Sierra are still behind the times and using up the old stock of bearings and they still need greasing. If you get the sealed variety, then it should also come with a small stainless steel plug. Remove the grease fitting/nipple on the starboard side of the gimbal housing and put that small plug in. It's to stop someone trying to grease a sealed bearing.

And while on the subject of the sealed bearing, there are still philistines around who prefer the greaseable ones (I have no idea why!). Same people who'll tell you points and carbs are better than injection and electronic ignition. :facepalm: I've had a sealed gimbal bearing (and unis) in my boat for the last 12 years, still not a problem, and I haven't spent a cent on grease. :D and I don't have to remember it as part of the maintenance schedule. Just use and forget. ;)

Anyway, that's IMHO.

Chris.........
 

harringtondav

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And while on the subject of the sealed bearing, there are still philistines around who prefer the greaseable ones (I have no idea why!).

Anyway, that's IMHO.

Chris.........

I resemble that remark ;), and here is why: The first time I changed my unis, I received "parmalube" U joints. When I pulled the caps I had more grease on my fingers than was under the caps. The grease passages were full, and that was about it. They came with both plugs and grease zerks. So I loosely installed a zerk, and pumped in about 2 cc more grease until all caps lifted. Then I removed the zerk, seated the caps to squeeze out the excess grease, then plugged them. Apparently Rockwell or whoever goes with Bondo's "a little grease is better...." I was a journeyman railroad car mechanic when I was a sprat, and we loved grease.

So I'm paranoid about sealed gimbal bearings. I bought a Sierra greaseable last spring. I push in enough pumps during annual/semi annual drive pull 'till I see the new grease ooze. That way I all get warm and fuzzy seeing the fresh grease, and examining the old stuff for water etc. RTC (resistance to change) factor.
 
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