timing my 125's

hooyah

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[video]https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B21zyr3EUltNSkFESThlRXd0QndkMjlQSFJMeE9KQkctdWFj/edit[/video]Frank, my STBD 125 quit on me when I broke a plastic timing nut and it's never run right since. I replaced the nut, both sides, and I was static timing the engine. I set it to the 28 deg mark, but when I timed it, I kept the plugs in while cranking. When I finally got it started, it idled, but when I tried to increase the throttle manually, the engine backfired and I could hear the compressed gases escaping from one of the side covers of the transfer port cover. What should I do? Did I screw up by leaving the plugs in? I think I did that because I didn't want to ground all the plugs. Of course I realize that I may have been able to achieve a higher cranking RPM.
 
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pnwboat

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Can't view your link. Apparently you have to be a member or create an account??? Anyways, it sounds like the gasket(s) under the By-Pass cover is leaking. Easy fix once you get access to them. Make sure the 4 bolts that hold each of the covers secure are tight. If it is leaking, it will affect the fuel mixture going that cylinder.
 

jerryjerry05

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Not Frank but I'll add something.
Do a spark and compression test before you do anything else.
Then find a way to ground the plugs as you turn the motor over.
The grounding wires I have shown in the pics are easy to make.
If you don't let the motor spin up it won't work right.
Also check the fuel pump diaphragm.
Since you had a backfire???? You could have ripped the diaphragm.
 

hooyah

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Re: timing my 125's

Thanks all, I just replaced the diaphram before I did this (I hope I didn't blow another one) and I think I will try taking all the plugs out when I do the static timing next time. I do have a grounding rig but It may need some refurbishing, but I like your idea better, mine was a home-made spark tester. I'm thinking I might have been turning too slow to get an accurate depiction of 28 deg BTDC which may have actually caused me to retard the timing too far, or my logic might be the opposite. Let's see, thinking out loud here...If I had inadvertantly spun the motor too slow and set it to 28 deg, then by spinning faster I would have set it to 28 deg, that means I actually set it to less than 28 deg at that rate which would imply that at the real speed the timing is actually less than what is would be if I had done it right the first time. I think my timing is less than 30 deg BTDC which would retarded too much. The question I now have is is the timing advanced at high speeds or retarded? What makes the engine stop when I advance on the throttle?
 

hooyah

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It was just a short video of the engine idling the first time since June 2013. I was happy to see that happen, but still frustrated. I didn't see any signs of a leak but I heard it. Sounded like a cat hissing at a dog.
 

Frank Acampora

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Well, gentlemen: I just returned from a cruise to Nassau and the Bahamas. Weather did not cooperate so we were inside the ship almost all the time.

Hooyah: You did not do any damage by trying to time the engine with the plugs in. The reason timing is set retarded at cranking is because the magnets in the inside rim of the flywheel will exert a force on the moving components and slightly change the timing at higher RPM. The effect of slower cranking--within reason--would only change timing a degree or two at full throttle--negligible in terms of engine performance. Within reason is this: If the flywheel is not turning at about 350 RPM, not enough voltage will be generated to get spark. So, if you were getting spark, then you were turning fast enough to time the engine.

A high speed pop can be any number of thinks, from fuel to electrical so here is where you need to check one thing at a time and track it down. A high speed stop is almost always a fuel delivery problem although it can be ignition. SO: first check compression to see that the engine is producing power on all cylinders. Then put a timing light on each individual plug wire and see if , when the engine stops, it was still firing on each cylinder. Lastly, check the fuel delivery completely from tank to carbs. If you have crap in the fuel bowls, then the engine will start and idle well, but when you go to throttle up, the loose crap clogs the high speed jet and cuts off fuel, stalling the engine.

If you are hearing hissing noises from the electronics side of the engine, that, as noted in an above answer, would imply that one or more bypass covers are loose or the gaskets are broken. It could also mean that there is a hole or crack in the fuel pump impulse hose or you removed the hose from its nipple and did not put it back--thus: Low fuel flow and high speed stalling.
 
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hooyah

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Thank you for the in depth explanation. It is frustrating then. I guess I'll start over, and get a comp check on all the cylinders. How long do you think It would take to break in a new set of rings? I also need to check out why at first when I crank it over it goes fast, then after the starter heats up (which I replaced last year) it barely turns over at all. But the other engine will spin up like there's no tomorrow. I like a challenge, but these boys are really testing my patience. Still, until I graduate this December, I'll have to be content with these old dogs. I appreciate your insight.
 

jerryjerry05

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Turning over slow??
Starter's weak.Shorted starter.
Bad connection on the starter or battery.
Low compression on 1 or more cyl.
If it's turning fast then slow. I'd guess a battery's weak,low, possible bad cell?
The bearing on the drive shaft siezing.
The gear/bearing on prop shaft siezing.
The "New" starter if it's an aftermarket cheapie?
They can last 2 months to 2-3 years???
 

hooyah

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Man, I'd hate for it to be another starter, but who knows? I might just try to rebuild the old one and giver a swap out and see if that makes a difference. Or swap out the one from the other motor just till I figure our why the other engine is acting the way it is. First thing, compression check this weekend. Thanks guys.
 
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