Timing on Mercury 1500

tjharp

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The timing on my 1977 mercury 1500 is off. How much would it cost to have the carbs tuned and the timing done?
 

crem1

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Re: Timing on Mercury 1500

Timing is easier than having to remove carburators, cleaning them and re-installing new parts. I assume three carburators, probably around $300-$400
 

tjharp

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Re: Timing on Mercury 1500

I have already rebuilt the carbs, so it would just be adjusting the timing and settings on the carb
 

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The problem of having someone work on that motor is that the younger guys don't have any experience with the towers. If you cleaned the carbs, why not take a stab at setting them, along with the timing?

I suspect any mechanic will want $200+ just to start, on a 3 carb inline six.
 

daveswaves

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Re: Timing on Mercury 1500

The problem of having someone work on that motor is that the younger guys don't have any experience with the towers. If you cleaned the carbs, why not take a stab at setting them, along with the timing?

I suspect any mechanic will want $200+ just to start, on a 3 carb inline six.
Unfortunately, Chris is right. These engines are different and many marine mechanics simply do no know how to tune them. Fortunately there is enough expertise lurking on this site to help you out. If you have removed the carbs you need to do a link and sync, there is a documented procedure for that in the FAQ section, if you cant find it we can re post it. The most common mistake people make tuning the carbs is adjusting them for smooth idle. Invariably the carbs end up too lean and the engine stumbles under load. Idle speed on these engines is controlled by spark advance, thats why the link and sync is important. In a later post Chris mentions to check the compression, there is no point in trying to tune an engine that has a mechanical problem
 

daveswaves

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This is the link and sync procedure, courtesy of Clams Cannino.


Manual specs are different for each but this is close enough to get them all REAL close. This assumes nothing is broken or "wrong" with it. This also assumes that the timing pointer is properly adjusted (if adjustable) to accurately read TDC of the #1 piston.

This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable

Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 1 3/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It is the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup.
As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance.
As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" crossflow inlines and 34 degrees for the older plain vanilla crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.

You're done.

-W
 

tjharp

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Re: Timing on Mercury 1500

I honestly don't think I can deal with doing all of those steps. I don't have a timing light either. How much do they cost and where can I get one?
 

daveswaves

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I honestly don't think I can deal with doing all of those steps. I don't have a timing light either. How much do they cost and where can I get one?
Thats fair, what part of the country are you in, perhaps there is someone close by who could help out.
 

tjharp

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Well I decided to give it a try, so I ordered a timing light and I will get to it this weekend and I will post back with the results!
Any more advice?
 

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Well I decided to give it a try, so I ordered a timing light and I will get to it this weekend and I will post back with the results!
Any more advice?

Yes, take it one step at a time, if you don,t understand the step or it does not seem to be doing what it should.....ask. Don't move on to the next step until the previous one is completed. Have fun, enjoy yourself, you are working on a classic. Pat yourself on the back for trying.:)
 

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Re: Timing on Mercury 1500

I have a question. How do you know the timing is off if you don't have a timing light? Is that an assumption based on a poor running condition?

Did you rebuild the carbs yourself? Were they rebuilt or just cleaned?
 

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TJ - Do you have a service manual? If not, I recommend you get one. To set the idle pickup on that motor, you first need to verify that the idle timing pointer is calibrated. There is a procedure where you set the #1 piston to .464 inches before TDC, and use that known point to set the timing pointer.

You then need to loosen two screws (5/16") about midway up the distributor, to allow the idle pickup point collar to slide to the proper position. This idle pickup point is at 4-6 degrees BTDC. Set max advance to 21 degrees BTDC, using the Max Adv Set screw, on the plate above the distributor. I do this with the motor not running, but cranking with the #2-5 spark plugs out and grounded to the block.
 

tjharp

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Re: Timing on Mercury 1500

I am still waiting to get the time to do the timing.
Another problem however, I put an electric fuel pump in to see if it was the mechanical fuel pump that was causing problems. It wouldnt start without starting fluid. Now with the mechanical pump back in, it still wont start without starting fluid. What could be causing this?
 

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Fuel pump has nothing to do with initial starting. If the compression is good, you may not be choking the motor enough. For a cold start, put the cold start lever all the way up, prime the motor until bulb is hard. Now hold choke button down and crank until it starts.
 

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The first step is the most important. You absolutely must get the carbs synced together. When the top carb starts to open, then the other carbs must be at exactly the same place. If you don't get that right the engine will never be smooth.

The rest of it is not too hard.... Just follow the steps as set out in the manual. I have seen too many engines messed up because someone thought they knew better than the factory on how to set the timing. (They did step 4 before step 2, for example)

Chris.........
 

achris

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I very much doubt that tacho will work.

Best to get a Mercury tacho. To hook it up look at the front of your control box. You should see a 3 terminal connection. Merc sell a harness for that, or you can do as I've done a few times. The connectors are just spade crimps. set up 3 male spades on the ends of 3 wires and run them to the tacho. One will be ground (negative), one will be +12v, and the last, you guessed it, the tacho pulse.

Chris.......
 

Moody Blue

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Negative on that tach. You need a marine tach, with a settings option for 12 pole alternator. Get one that read to 6000rpm as your motor should top out at about 5200. Try ebay as a place to start. I've gotten a few for under $30 brand new.

If your motor wire harness is original, then the brown tach signal wire is already in the harness and connects to the control box as achris pointed out. It originates from the BROWN terminal on the non-distributor side of the switchbox. For any newer tach, you will need to move that brown wire from the brown terminal to either of the yellow wires on the rectifier.
 
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