Timing on the 5.7GSI

HawaiianHooker

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I'm trying to set the timing correctly.

The Harmonic Balancer only has one mark and there is a V notch on the block.

When lined up does this indicate TDC of #1 or where the timing should be set with the timing light?


Thanks!

---Mike
 

cptbill

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No or yes could be ether 4 revolutions for 1 cycle of a 4 stroke engine could be the opposite of tdc
 

cptbill

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You have to be able to tell ether when the intake valve is opening or if the rotor in the dist(if it has one)is pointing to #1
 

muc

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The mark and V when lined up is TDC on #1 or #6
To set timing you use a timing light with adjustable advance or attach timing tape to the balancer.
 

HawaiianHooker

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Thanks Muc, that's what I suspected, I believe it should be 8 degrees advanced, any thoughts?..
 

ChrisCraftFan

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I will be doing mine in the next week or so. (If I get the drive back on!) Anyway. for my 2000 5.7GSI there is a shunt needed to set the timing. It bypasses the advance so you can set base timing. You may want to make sure this one doesn't need the shunt. (They are about $10)
 

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Thanks Muc, that's what I suspected, I believe it should be 8 degrees advanced, any thoughts?..

8 sounds about right. But I always look it up by serial number. Sometimes service bulletins supersede the sticker on the engine. And I’m usually more concerned with total advance than base timing.

If when you check it and think it’s off. STOP. Most of the time with electronic ignition, if it’s off it means you are doing something wrong, somebody else did something wrong or there is a problem.
 

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Another way to think about this is that the cam and distributor are a 1:2 underdrive to the crankshaft....so the crankshaft makes 2 revolutions and passes the TDC marker twice as the distributor rotor makes 1 revolution. You have to pick the TDC event that happens on the compression stroke...the rocker arms for the #1 cylinder will be "quiet" on both sides of this TDC, on the other, "incorrect TDC" the intake and exhaust valves/rocker arms will be in motion as the combustion cycle is shifting from exhausting to intake-ing.

When you have the GM ignition module (small cap distributor, round-ish cap) it needs to be put in "base timing mode" which inhibits the module's electronics from doing any spark advance. When you look at this distributor there's a solid shaft to the rotor, there's no vacuum advance, there's no mechanical advance. The entire advance curve for all speeds and loads and starting is bult into that module. (there is a provision for retard modification if knock sensing is present). The jumper harness mentioned above puts the ignition module into base timing mode. I extended the wire with the alligator clip on mine so I could reach the battery in the next compartment over....nothing more sophisticated than a couple of butt splices and a piece of stranded wire.

It is theoretically possible if one randomly chooses the TDC marker on the crank wthout checking, the distributor can be 180 degrees off. A short term fix is to reposition the spark plug wires based on the same new #1 on the opposite side. That should be good enough to get running but there are usually some bad compromises in the spark plug routing that result. So if you find yourself in that situation I urge you, once running, to stop and hand--crank the engine exactly 1 more revolution and reset the spark plug #1 to original. Your spark plug wires will thank you for this.
 

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I don't believe the shunt is needed on this motor. At least I have been told that on my 01 5.7 GSIPEFS motors. Base timing is set by jumping 2 pins on the DLC or by using scanner plugged into it like Rinda or Vodia (sp). I have been told the shunt tool is for distributors that don't have any thing plugged into the port they use, only the ones that have a blank. And that the manuals are wrong on this. Some one mentioned the shunt tool is for carbed applications. Mine listed is a TBI one.
 

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I agree with the idea of using the serial number. That's what I did with a Volvo Penta parts dealer. We verified what distributor was in there and that in 2000 the 5.7GSI PEFS does need it. I do also have the TBI. The shunt is really just a clean way of jumping pins and the addition of a 12v source. The issues i saw in the manual was when to attach the 12 volts. It should be attached after the motor is started. Anyway, i encourage looking up by serial #. The parts guy even printed out the service bulletin with instructions on how to do it
 

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I agree with the idea of using the serial number. That's what I did with a Volvo Penta parts dealer. We verified what distributor was in there and that in 2000 the 5.7GSI PEFS does need it. I do also have the TBI. The shunt is really just a clean way of jumping pins and the addition of a 12v source. The issues i saw in the manual was when to attach the 12 volts. It should be attached after the motor is started. Anyway, i encourage looking up by serial #. The parts guy even printed out the service bulletin with instructions on how to do it

Have you used it yet on your motor? I have heard when you go unplug the wires (because our's has wires connected to it) to plug in your shunt motor will die. I have the shunt tool. Let me know how it works. I did not try the tool.
 

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I have not done it yet. I am fighting the seal that is behind the Gimble bearing. Sure wish I hadn't started that LOL.
What I understand is you unplug what is there, plug in the shunt, leave the 12 volts disconnected, start the motor and then hook up the 12 volts. That's how i understand it. According to the lookup on the engine serial number that is the procedure. But,,, I have not physically done it yet. I will update if i ever get the stupid seal replaced so I can put the drive back on!!
 

ChrisCraftFan

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Not yet, One problem after the other for me. Still have my drive off. Just today discovered i need new bearings on my upper carrier.
 
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