Tohatsu/Evinrude

[Palomino]

Local dealer near my recreational property where I fish sells Tohatsu and Evinrude Etec motors. I need a 40-50hp tiller steering motor with electric start and power TnT for a 16' 2006 Mirrocraft 1676 that I acquired with no motor on it.

They have a Tohatsu 50hp 2006 model year for $5200. They say they only have one of these left. They also have a 2007 Evinrude Etec 40hp for $6250. A dealer much farther away (im in very rural area in wisconsin) some 60 miles or so has a 2008 Etec for $5860. The 2008 in the tiller version doesnt come with a system check gauge, because this dealer says the tiller versions dont come with one or need one. The 2007 Etec at the dealer closer to me comes with the system check gauge but as you can see is almost $400 more and is a 2007.

If it was your choice what would you do. The 10 extra horsepower and lower price of the 2006 50hp tohatsu would be nice, but Im one of those people that still likes to buy American and as far as I know the Etec's are still made here in Wisconsin. All the motors are new with full warranty and include everything but tax.

Also, can anyone point me to a picture of the Tiller handles for the Etec and espcially the tiller handle of the Tohatsu motor which I have not seen as of yet.

Thanks

Mike
Athelstane, WI

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

I don't have an image of a tiller Tohatsu, but I'll get one and forward it to you on Monday.

Neither one is better than the other. Their are some differences to consider.

The Rude has a 5 year warranty and is a slightly cleaner running engine.

The Tohatsu has a 4 year warranty and has more hole shot and top end.

Fuel consumption is the same at the same hull speed until the Rude gets left behind, engine life is probably the same, though the Tohatsu might have an edge there.

The Tohatsu wins out on price and power.

The Rude wins out on U.S. made and an extra year of warranty.

Buy the one that makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

 

[DJ]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

I don't have an image of a tiller Tohatsu, but I'll get one and forward it to you on Monday.

Neither one is better than the other. Their are some differences to consider.

The Rude has a 5 year warranty and is a slightly cleaner running engine.

The Tohatsu has a 4 year warranty and has more hole shot and top end.

Fuel consumption is the same at the same hull speed until the Rude gets left behind, engine life is probably the same, though the Tohatsu might have an edge there.

The Tohatsu wins out on price and power.

The Rude wins out on U.S. made and an extra year of warranty.

Buy the one that makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

A very fair assessment by Elvin. Kudo's.

If you like the dealer near you, buy from him. I am biased toward the "Rude" but that's just me.

 

[Palomino]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Yeah the dealer is good. They are in a small town of about 1200 people about 15 miles from me. Im in a town of maybe 250. They serve all the small towns for 40miles or more for the Tohatsu and probably almost as far for the Evinrude.

They pretty much say if you screw someone up here you screw everyone cause everyone will hear about it

Can any of you guys comment on whether the Etec Tiller model are supposed to have the system check gauge or not and whether it is necessary or not?

Also, have there been any great improvements to the Tohatsu TLDI since 2006?

Thanks

Mike

 

[DJ]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

You're in Wisconsin. No self respecting cheddarhead is going to bolt on a Tohatsu.

Sorry Elvin, couldn't resist.

 

[BruceAML]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Here is my idea. Have the local dealer near you order a 2008 Evinrude. Make sure it is exactly the model you want. You are not going to use the motor until things warm up so there is no great hurry. If the dealer will not order a 2008 Evinrude, you will then be perfectly free to go to the other dealer. If you are the one spending the money, you should get exactly what you want.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Tohatsu can't improve on perfection Seriously, nothing to improve on other than emissions and the last thing one of the engineers told me was California is such a small market they weren't in any hurry to meet the last CARB deadline there. And now that the EPA has come out with a ruling that states can't exceed Federal requirements CARB may become semi pointless anyway. Actually they are pointless right now. Mindless buffoons if you ask me. Of course no one ever does, but...

 

[steelespike]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Local dealer near my recreational property where I fish sells Tohatsu and Evinrude Etec motors. I need a 40-50hp tiller steering motor with electric start and power TnT for a 16' 2006 Mirrocraft 1676 that I acquired with no motor on it.

They have a Tohatsu 50hp 2006 model year for $5200. They say they only have one of these left. They also have a 2007 Evinrude Etec 40hp for $6250. A dealer much farther away (im in very rural area in wisconsin) some 60 miles or so has a 2008 Etec for $5860. The 2008 in the tiller version doesnt come with a system check gauge, because this dealer says the tiller versions dont come with one or need one. The 2007 Etec at the dealer closer to me comes with the system check gauge but as you can see is almost $400 more and is a 2007.

If it was your choice what would you do. The 10 extra horsepower and lower price of the 2006 50hp tohatsu would be nice, but Im one of those people that still likes to buy American and as far as I know the Etec's are still made here in Wisconsin. All the motors are new with full warranty and include everything but tax.

Also, can anyone point me to a picture of the Tiller handles for the Etec and espcially the tiller handle of the Tohatsu motor which I have not seen as of yet.

Thanks

Mike
Athelstane, WI

You might want to go to the BRP site and check the 40hp performance reports.One thing not mentioned is that the 40 will use about 20% less fuel at WOT (wide open throttle)Of course it will be slightly slower.And the 50 might come close to the same GPH (gallons per hour) as the 40 when run at the 40s top speed. the 50 would be about 1 to 3 mph faster on similar boats to the 40.

 

[Palomino]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

So, do I need the system check gauge with the Tiller Etec model?

Thanks,

Mike

 

[hitace]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

I don't have an image of a tiller Tohatsu, but I'll get one and forward it to you on Monday.

Neither one is better than the other. Their are some differences to consider.

The Rude has a 5 year warranty and is a slightly cleaner running engine.

The Tohatsu has a 4 year warranty and has more hole shot and top end.

Fuel consumption is the same at the same hull speed until the Rude gets left behind, engine life is probably the same, though the Tohatsu might have an edge there.

The Tohatsu wins out on price and power.

The Rude wins out on U.S. made and an extra year of warranty.

Buy the one that makes you feel warm and fuzzy.

how can you say that bloated 4 stroke TOHATSU is faster then a evinrude?I will put you and your cat in the fumes with any of my old johnsons/evinrudes.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Tohatsu uses a 3-cylinder, 2-stroke DFI....And I was being very, very, kind to Evinrude in the comparision

 

[wbeaton]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

The two posts above sound like posturing to me. I'd say both are good motors so decide if you want a 50 or a 40 hp and be done with it. Personally, I'd choose the Evinrude, but like everyone else I'm biased.

 

[Palomino]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Does anyone know where the Tilt and Trim switch is located for the Tohatsu tiller models? I know on the evinrude tiller it's now in a spot where you can have your hand on the throttle and thumb on the TnT switch. I really like that idea.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

"The two posts above sound like posturing to me."

Really?

I thought mine was a fair and rather tame response to someone who made a disparaging remark about an engine model that they don't know anything about. But, since you are an expert in personal dynamics perhaps you should inform us all as to what a non posturing response would look like. I await instruction so that I won't make such a grievous error in the future

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

The Tohatsu has two. One is on the lower motor cover and is positioned so that you can tilit the engine while standing outside the boat. The other one is on the front of the lower motor cover.

 

[rogerwa]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

One thing to think of in this decision is resale value. Whether or not the Tohatsu is a good product is irrelevant. I happen to think they make a very good product, but in small town Wisconsin, you will get more for your Evinrude if you choose to sell it. I just hung a used Nissan (same as Tohatsu) I picked up at a small town Wisconsin dealer and got what I feel was a very good deal to comparable domestic 90hp motors. The guy that runs the place was very dismissive of the brand copmared to the 90hp Evinrude that had I could tell had been crakced open for who knows what and was in much rougher shape. That motor was $800 more.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Local market conditions determine value. A strong dealer presence or weak dealer presence may very well determine what a used engines value might be. For instance, in the Tampa area, population 1 million plus, Suzuki's are worth very little in comparison to anything. Yamaha is the market leader here followed by Mercury, Honda, Tohatsu/Nissan, Evinrude and Suzuki. I don't see the logic in making a buying decision of an outboard based on resale value since they all depreciate so quickly. But, that's just me. Wisconsin seems to be a state where a lot of anti Japanese outboard statements come from. It would seem to be obvious that Japanese engines would suffer from an economic bias there as well. Sort of like selling a Toyota in Detroit. In the end choosing an outboard is like choosing anything else. You can buy based on mindless brand loyalty, warranty, price, features, service, etc. or a combination of reasons. The only reason I can think of that defies any rational understanding is brand loyalty. Model loyalty I get. Individual models can be picked out and quantified. But not brands.

 

[rogerwa]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

I think familiarity has a lot ot do with it rather than anti-japanese. Hondas are very popular and you see a lot of Yamahas as well.

I always look at resale value as I rarely use something until it wears out and I want to get as much for the asset as possible. But that's just me..

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

Any you could be right. But, I got jumped here on iboats awhile back about Jap outboards in Wisconsin and since Pearl Harbor was the thrust of that person's arguement...

 

[hitace]

Re: Tohatsu/Evinrude

up there in Wisconsin they don't take kindly to the jap stuff.you would be lucky to give that rig away with a tohatsu.If you bought the evinrude you could get a lot more money for that rig if you got into money troubles in the future.you don't roll with the jap stuff on evinrudes turf.I lived up there for a few years and I think a bit of there anti-japness rubbed off on me.