Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

ey123

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To make long story short, I got my motor serviced at the dealer's 3 weeks ago after it submerged in salt water. Every thing was good when I tested it at home on the stand, always one pull only, either to start or restart. Then I went boating several times, and the motor always started on the first or second pull at the beginning of the trip. But when I went on shore and tilted up the motor, then it became emotional and sometimes took me 8 to 10 pulls to restart, sometimes one pull was enough. One time it just refused to start at all, so I had to cut short the crabbing trip and went home only to find it starting on the stand at first pull! Could it be the direction the motor rests when tilting up that matters? Thanks for any input.
 

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

Welcome to Iboats,

Is that a 2 or 4 strokes 9.8 model ? You should not experiment any start or re starting issues at all when at rest after being tilted up on transom or stand, the owners manual does not specify if you need to have it tilted to a particular left, right direction. What if you choke engine back when cold ?

Happy Boating
 

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

Could it be the direction the motor rests when tilting up that matters?

No

Think in terms of a tank in the hot sun-fuel line-fuel pump problem. IE flooding due to a fuel pressure build up from the tank.
 

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

My guess is flooding too. Try opening the throttle a bit before pulling the rope next time. That often makes it easier to start a flooded engine.

My second guess is the carb is draining and you have to pull the rope enough times to pump more gas in.
 
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ey123

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

Welcome to Iboats,

Is that a 2 or 4 strokes 9.8 model ? You should not experiment any start or re starting issues at all when at rest after being tilted up on transom or stand, the owners manual does not specify if you need to have it tilted to a particular left, right direction. What if you choke engine back when cold ?

Happy Boating

My bad, didn't make myself clearer. It's a 4 strokes one. I didn't mean that I started or restarted it when it was being tilted up, but after being tilted up for rest and putting it back to vertical position on transom, then I had problems in restarting. I always restart by turning the throttle at the restart position without choke on, as the manual said. However, if it had not been long, like 1 hr or less, from the last running, I tried successfully restarting several times in start position, without choke on, within 2 pulls. When I had to pull 8-10 times to restart, then I tried everything, restart position, start position, start + choke on, restart + choke on, .... I'm guessing maybe one direction of the motor rest when tilted up causing flooding, if flooding is the cause? Or I need to experiment on the stand if the motor rest directions affecting restarting?
 

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

Could it be the direction the motor rests when tilting up that matters?

No

Think in terms of a tank in the hot sun-fuel line-fuel pump problem. IE flooding due to a fuel pressure build up from the tank.

Thanks for your response.

If so, what's the solution? Pull harder or disconnect the fuel line when rest?
 

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

My guess is flooding too. Try opening the throttle a bit before pulling the rope next time. That often makes it easier to start a flooded engine.

My second guess is the carb is draining and you have to pull the rope enough times to pump more gas in.

Thanks. Will try.
 

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

If engine is flooding due to pressure build up on tank specially during hot summer, leave air tank valve at open position while engine is at rest. Anyway, it should't flood at all, probably you have a carb needle valve issue not seating properly.

Check needle tip condition, should be inmaculate pointed to close tight onto needle seat.- Also check float height, probably out of correct height adjustment ?

Happy Boating
 
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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

The carb float is hinged at the back; therefore, assuming the float needle is OK, the carb should not flood when tilting. However, it could "wash out" with a little liquid fuel sloshing up into the passages. I've never seen that issue on a 9.8, though.

Sometimes, the throttle rod could be a little out of adjustment. That might prevent the "restart" position from opening the throttle plate enough.

A little explanation: Many carbed motors, Outboards, and 4-strokes particularly, can suffer from "hot soak" when the motor is shut down, and that's the primary reason for the "restart" position. When the motor is running, cold air comes into the carb, cooling it. When you shut down, the carb will get warmer, encouraging fuel to evaporate, resulting in a "too rich to start" condition. The fix for that is opening the throttle a little to admit more air, to help balance off the extra fuel.

In order to confirm the throttle rod adjustment, you need the motor off, the choke fully off, and the throttle at idle. Of course, the warm idle should have been set correctly (with a shop tach) first. The throttle stop screw should be in contact with the throttle arm of the carb. Then loosen the screw that retains the throttle rod to the brass swivel on the throttle arm of the carb, and remove all but a few thousandths of an inch of slack where the loop of the throttle rod meets the throttle crank pin, and re-tighten the screw in the swivel. The loop should be free, not binding, and have a tiny clearance to the pin. That way, when you rotate the tiller to "restart", the carb opens slightly, allowing some more air to compensate for "hot soak".

As an alternative, you can open the throttle a little past the "restart" position when starting, so that even if the throttle rod is a hair off, you have allowed enough air to restart.

Also... On the newer, EPA-rated tanks (the ones that have the gas gauge separate from the cap), the vent is not a "real" vent, but rather a 1-way check valve that will not allow air out of the tank below about 5 PSI. If you have one of those, the fuel pressure can go pretty high when the tank is sitting in the hot sun, which can promote minor flooding of the carb. That could also be part of your issue. Always a good idea to unplug the gas line from the motor if you will be shut down for a few hours; likewise, if you will be shut down for several days, run the carb out of fuel at the end of the day to reduce the chance of varnish buildup in the carb passages.
 
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ey123

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Re: Tohatsu MFS 9.8A3 difficult to restart after tilting up

Thanks for the detailed information, will try next time.
 
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