Towing with my F150

Erk469

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Help me with this..some of my friends don't think I can tow a 15 and 1/2 foot Thundercraft ski boat with an 80hp Mercury. I'm towing with a 1997 F150 5-SPEED V8 4.6L. I believe I will be fine. But I think I can win this bet.
 

blktout67

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Re: Towing with my F150

you will be fine with that truck towing that small of a boat
 

Erk469

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Re: Towing with my F150

Thats what I have told them...I told them with the specs of my truck I'm not even close to my max towing cap.
 

GrindKore

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Re: Towing with my F150

Help me with this..some of my friends don't think I can tow a 15 and 1/2 foot Thundercraft ski boat with an 80hp Mercury. I'm towing with a 1997 F150 5-SPEED V8 4.6L. I believe I will be fine. But I think I can win this bet.

You won't even know its there. I tow my 1900 lbs rig with 2001 F150 5.4L V8 4x4, by far the best truck I have had pleasure owning. The acceleration is great, massive break authority simply cannot ask for a better vehicle.

Sounds like your friends are Ford haters :eek:
 

MarvJ

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You won't even know its there. I tow my 1900 lbs rig with 2001 F150 5.4L V8 4x4, by far the best truck I have had pleasure owning. The acceleration is great, massive break authority simply cannot ask for a better vehicle.

Sounds like your friends are Ford haters :eek:

You should have no problem. I tow a 2000 lbs 18' Trophy with 115hp 400 lbs motor with a full 50 gal gas tank. I have a 1999 F150 V8 5.4 and i dont even know its behind me. Agree with GrindKore sounds like Ford haters!
 
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Re: Towing with my F150

LOL i would love a late model f150.. i tow a 21' cuddy cabin with a grand cherokee with a 4.0I 6. the jeep easily weighs a full ton less than your ford and i have no problems. your friends are dumb when it comes to tow rigs.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Towing with my F150

My Chevy Astro has a 4.3 litre V6 engine with a tow package. Its rated to tow up to 6,300 pounds. I also had a pickup with a 1.9 litre 4 banger in it and towed a 15' fiberglass trihull with a pair of 35hp Erudes on it. Even on fairly steep ramps, the truck was fine.

I don't think you are going to have any problem at all with a V8 4.6 litre engine. In fact, I am looking at a web page right now (Motor Trend review) that suggests your tow rating to be as much as 8,000 pounds.

Tell your friends to go back to the Buds at the bar.
 

Shrub88

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Re: Towing with my F150

5-SPEED V8 4.6L
Well, I hate to break ranks with everybody on this thread saying your friends have no clue, but there is a huge difference in tow ratings between an automatic and a 5-speed manual in a half ton truck.

Here are the 5-speed ratings published by Ford:

4.6L MANUAL TRANSMISSION 2WD

Supercab........3.08 axle........2000 lbs
Reg Cab..........3.08 axle........2300 lbs

Super Cab.......3.55 axle........3300 lbs
Reg Cab..........3.55 axle........3500 lbs

If the truck was an automatic, the ratings would be between 5600 and 7200 lbs so it is very obvious that Ford felt better about you towing with an automatic than a 5-speed.

I hope your truck has the 3.55 axle as the 3.08 would be a real dog towing. You can check the ratio on the driver's door tag:

3.08 - 18 or 28 (open)
3.08 - H8 or B8 (limited slip)
3.55 - 19 or 29 (open)
3.55 - H9 or B9 (limited slip)

What ratio do you have?
 

zebstarnes

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Re: Towing with my F150

Don't worry about it ERK469 . Just enjoy your days on the water. The truck will be fine.
 

clarkbre

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Re: Towing with my F150

Isn't a Ford a F#%&ed Over Rebuilt Dodge...With that in mind, I think a Dodge Dakota could pull that boat.

JUST KIDDING!!!

Your F150 should be fine for pulling that boat. It doesn't sound likes it's a real heavy set up. Whats the winner of the bet get?
 

ne7800

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Re: Towing with my F150

Well i don't have a ford but i pull a 28' 5th wheel camper with my half ton dodge
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Towing with my F150

I missed the info on the 5 speed, so I'll revise my comments somewhat.

While it is true that many trucks with manual transmissions are rated to tow a great deal less than one with an automatic, I doubt very much that you will have problems with your rig.

Your boat probably weighs about 800 pounds, the motor probably weighs about 250 pounds and the trailer probably weighs about 500 pounds. That's a total of 1,550 pounds empty. With 12 gallons of gas and a few things thrown in the boat, I doubt you'd break a total weight of 1,800 pounds.

This sort of load isn't going to break your truck, nor slow it down much. The only area that I would advise caution on, is in starting from a dead stop. This is especially true on a grade. You have plenty of engine, so you need to mate the clutch and pressure plates evenly and smoothly. You should not need to slip the clutch so dont, because that's what burns a clutch up in short order.

Most manufacturers are well known for under-rating their manual transmission vehicles, and the clutch issue is one reason why. I believe that they also do it, because most manual tranny equipped trucks don't have transmission coolers installed - factory or otherwise. Since heat is the other big cause of transmission failure, its easier to under-rate the truck than to try to educate people on proper treatment of the vehicle.

One of the things that will give you a little better insight as to the true capacity of the truck, is to compare the tow rating posted on the spec tag in the door jam, with the combined gross vehicle weight ratiing and the empty weight of the truck. With manual tranny equipped trucks, there is sometimes a big gap between the empty weight plus the tow rating v. the CGWR. Since your truck is rated to tow up to 8,000 lbs with an auto tranny, frame strength, stiffness, etc. are not going to be limiting factors.

Frankly, I wouldn't worry about your setup. If you think about it, how many times have you seen someone towing a rig that is very similar to yours in terms of weight, with a 30 year old Toyota or S10 with a manual trans and a 4 banger in it? As I said before, I had a boat, motor, trailer combination that was probably very similar to yours in weight, and I towed it with a compact pickup that had a 4 speed and a 1.9L engine. I did it for years and it worked fine. I also didn't break anything doing this.

I don't think you will either.
 

dlngr

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Re: Towing with my F150

All you need to worry about is how well the parking brake works.Get a chock block behind a rear wheel,unless the driver stays in the truck while someone else loads/unloads the boat.
BTW,I'd have no problem towing that boat with my '92 Dakota V-6.
 

doug glass

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Re: Towing with my F150

no problem=i have an 87 bayliner capri 1700-towed behind a 2001 explorer sport trac 4.0 liter
 

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Re: Towing with my F150

Well, I hate to break ranks with everybody on this thread saying your friends have no clue, but there is a huge difference in tow ratings between an automatic and a 5-speed manual in a half ton truck.

Here are the 5-speed ratings published by Ford:

4.6L MANUAL TRANSMISSION 2WD

Supercab........3.08 axle........2000 lbs
Reg Cab..........3.08 axle........2300 lbs

Super Cab.......3.55 axle........3300 lbs
Reg Cab..........3.55 axle........3500 lbs

If the truck was an automatic, the ratings would be between 5600 and 7200 lbs so it is very obvious that Ford felt better about you towing with an automatic than a 5-speed.

I hope your truck has the 3.55 axle as the 3.08 would be a real dog towing. You can check the ratio on the driver's door tag:

3.08 - 18 or 28 (open)
3.08 - H8 or B8 (limited slip)
3.55 - 19 or 29 (open)
3.55 - H9 or B9 (limited slip)

What ratio do you have?

You are right on the money. Automatic transmissions "torque multiply" and a manual will not. This holds true with any of the 1/2 ton series trucks and lower by all manufacturers.
 

skargo

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Re: Towing with my F150

Ummmm, automatics EAT HP and Torque, not multiply it.
 

GrindKore

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Re: Towing with my F150

Ummmm, automatics EAT HP and Torque, not multiply it.

The automatic transmission has advantage over manual in towing scenario due to its hydrostatic nature. During low speeds the automatic transmission transfers torque via hydraulic pressure in the torque converter, not a direct friction plate contact as in manual tranny. As the result the transmission fluid is circulated through the heat exchanger which allows it to dissipate excess heat very quickly. The manual transmission on the other hand tends to build up heat and as result degrade under heavy load high slip scenarios.

Overall the original poster should have no problems considering light load of his rig. However Shrub88 has a valid point, manual tranny tow ratings are significantly lower in most cases on small trucks vs automatic variants.
 

skargo

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Re: Towing with my F150

The automatic transmission has advantage over manual in towing scenario due to its hydrostatic nature. During low speeds the automatic transmission transfers torque via hydraulic pressure in the torque converter, not a direct friction plate contact as in manual tranny. As the result the transmission fluid is circulated through the heat exchanger which allows it to dissipate excess heat very quickly. The manual transmission on the other hand tends to build up heat and as result degrade under heavy load high slip scenarios.

Overall the original poster should have no problems considering light load of his rig. However Shrub88 has a valid point, manual tranny tow ratings are significantly lower in most cases on small trucks vs automatic variants.

I guess we will agree to disagree ;)
 
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