Transom Repair

ROGER67

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I hope some one has and Ideal or can tell me how to repair this problem it has a crack on both sides wacthing the 175 it moves allot . Question is I guess what is the best way to repair the damage to it , What wood do I use and I do have a Alum. plate there to help stiffen the transom ,, should I cut this out and put a new wood or something else there to support the pressure againest the transom and what type of glass and wood would be best to put back inside once its tore out and finshed :eek:
 

Fouled Plug

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Re: Transom Repair

I assume you mean transom, the rear of the boat where the motor hangs. First step is to determine the extent of the damage/rot. It involves removing the top strip of fiberglass on the transom and digging away at the rotten wood to see how far down the bad stuff goes. That will tell you how much fun the rest of the repair$ are going to be.
 

ROGER67

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Re: Transom Repair

FOULEDPLUG ,,,,, Yes that is what I met to say FouledPlug just got in a rush I guess it happens to everyone Transom it is :eek: Its cracked about two inchs down from the top of the transom and who knows what else I' going just cut all of it out and replace it with the best I can find my son - law bought it and its rated only for 150 Hp but told him it can be fixed but with allot of work any suggestions on the replacement null
 

terryc

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Re: Transom Repair

Hello Roger, I had to rebuild my transom recently, I started by cutting a small hole in outside fibreglass hoping the rot was only small. What I found it is like rust in a car what you can see is only the tip of the iceberg, so be prepared for a full transom replacement.<br />There are two ways of conducting repair. One is to remove the top part of the boat from the hull and then replace from the inside leaving the outside skin intact, this is probably the hadest way. The other alternative is to repair from the outside. If you can, try doing it by leaving existing external fibreglass skin two inches in from the outside edge so that the strength in the corners are still remaining, it also saves having to disturb the sides of the Hull. I did'nt do this and although the job has been very successful, it was a lot harder as i had to work on the back and sides in final stages.<br />Just a tip, when fibreglassing the timber remember that Epoxy fibreglass resin will adhere to existing ordinary resin. However ordinary fibreglass resin does not adhere well to existing Epoxy fibreglass. If you need futher advice let me know, I'll try and help. I know there are guy's on this site who are more experienced and qualified than I am.<br />Let us know your progress.<br />Good luck, Terry
 

ROGER67

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Re: Transom Repair

TerryC ,,,Thanks I'll need all the help and advice that I can get its crack bad enough that who ever tried to fix it messed it up so bad that they had to put trun bucks and another paeice of Alum to the front of the transom and its to bad its a nice looking bass boat but I really think I should come back about 8inchs or so and cut the hole thing out if it can be done to hold a stronger motor than rated its a 175 Hp from the mtr to the break its about 10 ins. and will have to do the best I can hope that Ican get it to hold with out breaking again and use the Big 1" plate to help it if you'd to e-mail about it that would be fine or anyone else with on how to do rogerd8@prodigy.net thanks :D
 

terryc

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Re: Transom Repair

Roger, It would be nice if you could leave 8 inches existing, but i think you will find it then difficult to remove ALL the old timber. If the timber is rotted you must replace the whole timber in one piece or I would think that the strength would be affected. <br />I'm not familiar with the type of boat that you have, if you can get to the transom easily from the inside then this would be the best way to repair it, and then just repair the cracks on the outside skin.<br /> You will find that there will be an incredible amount of fibreglass dust when you are working. Make sure you wear a full suit with hood and a good respirator mask for protection. I'd prefer to give follow up advice via this Bulletin Board rather that direct Email. so that others can follow the progress. I know i always appreciate watching the advice everyone gives, plus others can jump in and add or improve on any suggestions given.<br />your first step is to open up a small area so as you can check the state of the timber beneath as to whether it is rotten or not. We will keep watching how you go.
 

ROGER67

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Re: Transom Repair

Terry C ,,,,,,I understand about the via e-mail also .. I understand what your saying from the inside first will try that but what about the epxoy holding to the old do I drill holes then fill them winter project for me and son-in -law also know about the fiber dust and mask too ,,So what your saying I shouldn't cut it all out just what is bad and if bad all the to the bottom of transom then do it from the outside right ,,what type of wood surely not plywood I was thinking of solid Oak
 

ROGER67

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Terry C ,,,,,,I understand about the via e-mail also .. I understand what your saying from the inside first will try that but what about the epxoy holding to the old do I drill holes then fill them winter project for me and son-in -law also know about the fiber dust and mask too ,,So what your saying I shouldn't cut it all out just what is bad and if bad all the to the bottom of transom then do it from the outside right ,,what type of wood surely not plywood I was thinking of solid Oak
 

evin300

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Re: Transom Repair

I did mine from the inside, which means that the top half of boat needs to be removed, however some people cut and repair the gunnels and remove just the rear top half to gain access to the inside. <br /><br />The only practical way that I could find to remove the complete transom, and not destroy the existing hull, was using a chainsaw. It worked really well! as the wide blades remove lots of wood, yet they dont like too cut easily into the thicker hull fiberglass.<br /><br />Using two layers of marine grade plywood (laminated) seems to be the standard construction. I had someone else glass mine in.<br /><br />Getting a good bond to the existing outer glass and the well area inside the boat is important. The true strength in a transom is the ability of the wood itself to carry the stress. The stress is transfered to the outside edges of the boat. Thats why I did mine from the inside as to preserve the integrity of the outer corners.<br /><br />The well area on the inside helps to carry alot of the transom flex load and with time (rot) will lose its bond to the transom. The cracks in your skin are due to overflex and if only located in the middle of transom (flat areas) are not a structural issue as this glass really has no strength on its own anyway.<br /> <br />However all transoms will flex, and unless you grind out a larger area and make a good strong repair, the crack will re-appear through normal flexing IMHO, but I would not consider this a structural issue, just bad cosmetics.<br /><br />Please understand that I wouldnt consider the cracks to be a problem only if new wood is installed properly, obviously these cracks are announcing a very serious issue with the transom.<br /><br />I am not a pro, but I have done this once before, hope this helps and I hope that once you get the whole transom out that your pocket area below the floor doesnt start filling with water like mine did! Thats when I learned about floors and stringers, another story for some other day. Good Luck
 

terryc

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Re: Transom Repair

Roger, I agree with the last reply, You need to first assess whether the cracks are due to rot in the inside timber or not, before you start pulling your transom to pieces. If there is a portion which is rotted I don't think a partial repair is advisable.<br />What I meant by the epoxy etc was that you can either use an epoxy two part resin or a standard fibreglass resin with catalyst. Whichever you use just keep in mind that if you coat the timber with epoxy then you will have to continue with epoxy as ordinary resin does not adhere well to epoxy. if you have to renew the transom your first step will be with an angle grinder and cutting wheel to cut out the skin of fibreglass which will have to be levered off to expose the old timber. next would be the removal of the old timber to make way for a new piece. i mad mine out of full fibreglass, bu generall here in australia most would use a marine grade plywood, probably two sheets epoxy glued together the give the correct thickness. The plywood is glued to the remaining fibreglass skin with either epoxy or fibreglass resin. Then the edges have to be filled with a resin and filer type of bog. When you glue in the timber to the remaining skin it will have to be held tight with screws and clamps until the glue has dried. Once this is finished you then have to coat with resin and fibreglass sheeting the remaining face of the timber to replace the skin which was removed.<br />If the job acn be done from the inside then this final skin doesnt have to be as well finished as it would if is on the outside. If it is on the outside then it takes a fair amount of bogging and sanding in order to get a smooth finish ready for painting. I finally used a two pack polyurethane undercoat and matching paint for the final outside skin, and this provides a very shiny hard and durable finish. Hopefully you will not have to pursue this road, and if you do hopefully you can work from the inside, saving a lot of finishing effort. I took my corners right off and from the outside so as you could imagine i had a major job in making up new corners and and repairing the sides as well as the back. However it eventually all finishes and now I'm back in the water.<br />When I fist started examining my transom i thought i only had to make a small repair, but the rot had spread like cancer.<br />I hope this is of some assistance, regards, terry.
 

ROGER67

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Re: Transom Repair

Thanks to all your replies Terryc & Evin300 and the rest I will tackel this thing most likely this week end and see how much damage is there ,,, again thanks I know my work is cut out for me as well as $$$ the boat is an 18'6 Wildfire like its a nice looking boat all that seems to be wrong with it is the transom OH BOY :eek:
 

harrison20002

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Re: Transom Repair

ROGER67--- One thing the others didn't comment on was your 175 on a boat rated for a 150hp. I doubt very much the 175 had anything to do with the condition of your transom but if a boat is rated for certain HP it should be adhered to. The plates are put on boats for one reason; SAFETY. Good Luck with your Winter project and safe boating! Hal. :) :) :)
 

mworthan

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Roger,<br /> I have just finished my 3rd rotten transom repair (all freebie boats to repair and sell). On the last one the top was pulled off to get to the rotten floor, stringers and bedlog. It was then that I found a completely rotten plywood transom with some good wood left in spots (which made it a little harder to get out). I used a circular saw to score the old transom and slowly chisel it away from the outer skin which was, by the way, only about 3/16" thick. You need those corners. I'll never forget a buddy of mine finding an intact transom with a new Yamaha 90 OB at the bottom of Lake Lanier here in Georgia. I always remember that when I glass a transom. Anyway, I make a paper template of the shape after scraping, sanding and chiseling (wasn't that bad actually) and transfer it to a sheet of 3/4" AC Fir. <br /><br />I double the ply and glue one piece to the other with epoxy mixed with cabosil. Now, please spring for epoxy. Polyester resins barely adhere to themselves and are terrible glues. Good cheap resin for building hulls but will let you down, eventually, when it comes to repairs. Use drywall screws as clamps around the edges of the two pieces and spaced out in the interior. When the piece cures, remove the screws (you'll fill in the holes later).<br /><br />Now mix up a big batch of epoxy glue, cabosil (fumed silica), and, if you have it, milled fibers to form a mayonaise consistancy glue. Spread it generously across the inside transom skin and across the plywood replacement piece. Set it in place and clamp. Clamping may not be so easy. If the boat is to be repainted, no problem. Drywall screws through plywood scraps all over the transom from the outside into the new ply will prove satisfactory. Don't squeeze out too much epoxy. You'll starve the joint (epoxy loves gaps). If you don't plan to repaint then you'll have to improvise as best you can from the inside. Possibly wedging something between the transom and glued in blocks. Those carpet stretchers that run wall to wall always seemed like an intriguing possibility and can be rented.<br /><br />Now you must tie this back to the hull. I use 9oz. biax tape which I lay into a fresh fillet of thickened epoxy around the entire inside joint where ply transom meets hull. Mix a peanut butter consistancy epoxy mixture of resin and silica with possibly some wood flour to make it stiff and load that into a ziplock bag. Cut off one bottom corner and use it like a cake decorator's bag to sqeeze a 1" bead all the way around the inside edge of the transom filling any gaps with the mixture. Using a the back of a plastic spoon, smooth out the bead to form a fillet. Then take some 4" to 6" fiberglass tape and go over the top of the fillet while still wet. The glass will begin to wet out and get translucent. Using an unthickened epoxy mixture fully soak the cloth with a brush. I then will generally add up to 4 more layers for additional strength. With some of the left over "dookie -smutz" (another word for thickened epoxy) fill in the screw holes made from the clamping proceedures.<br /><br />Now structurally it's done, but I like to soak the ply (remember that in marine grade fir the wood is not waterproof only the glue) in epoxy until a nice shiny layer of plastic has formed, especially on the end grain and in any through holes made where the rot generally starts. <br /><br />Good luck and e-mail me with any questions.
 

evin300

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Re: Transom Repair

Wow, lots of good info here! I will do the glasswork myself next time using the epoxy as terryc and mworthan mentioned. (hope there isnt a next time)<br /><br />Roger67 I think you can edit the title on your first post to correct the spelling, then when others are looking for help with thier transom it will show up doing a "search" The edit icon is the far right on this page right above your posts. Good Luck
 

terryc

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Re: Transom Repair

Most probably know this already, but what i have been told over the years is that fresh water is the enemy that causes the rot in these transoms and floors and not saltwater. I've heard of some guys soaking their replacement ply in saltwater and allowing it to dry before continuing with repair, the idea being that the salt water helps to protect against future rot.
 

johndezman

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has anyone thaught of using treated plywood for longevity? like the treated wood they use for decks, etc, plywood is available treated also.
 

Fouled Plug

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Bear, I was going to suggest that product but couldn't remember the name. Thanks!
 

ROGER67

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Yes I think treated plywood would work just fine unless the epoxy or the Fiberglass Resin wouldn't ahere to it does anyone else care to make a comment on this before buying it
 
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