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tommays

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My wife went to check on here 78 year old mom on saturday and sees all these white lines sprayed on her perfect driveway<br /><br />Whats up with the lines mom ? oh these NICE men are fixing the driveway for 3800 dollars <br /><br />Thank god they did not get any money out of her yet the police came down and are going to meet them on monday :) <br /><br />They are makeing there rounds all over LI this month scaming old folks :( <br /><br />tommays
 

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yep, its that time of year again.
 

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Apparently some of them died of lead poisoning around here, a long time ago.<br />They don't come here anymore.
 
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Is anyone else offended by this obvious misuse of terminolgy? C&P:<br />Irish Travellers (sometimes known as "itinerants" or "Tinkers") are a very small minority group in Ireland. They make up less than 1% of the population with approximately 23,000 people in the Republic and another 1,500 in the North. It is also estimated that there are about 15,000 Irish travellers in Britain and another 7,000 in the USA. Irish Travellers belong to a distinct ethnic group within Ireland. They have their own language, beliefs and social customs which have been made stronger over time due to their exclusion and marginalisation from mainstream "settled" society. <br /><br />Occasionally Irish Travellers have been confused with the Roma or Gypsies in England, who despite centuries of coexistence, cultural interchange and limited intermarriage, remain a distinct people. <br /><br />Until not so long ago Irish Travellers were referred to as "Tinkers". This word referred to their occupation as tinsmiths and metalworkers and was derived from the Irish word "ceard" (smith) or "tinceard" (tinsmith). This word is now generally used in a derogatory sense. Most of the Travellers' traditional crafts such as spoon-mending, tinsmithing and flower-making have gone by the way now as a result of urbanisation and the introduction of plastic and industrial technology.
 

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Be more specific. Are you offended by the terms itinerants,tinkers, or ?X!@#&*( ?
 

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Call them what you want, but they feed on the edlerly of our Country.
 

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The group of travelers in our country most likely would not recognize Ireland if shown a map of the country, they have been in the states scamming people for the last hundred or so years. I believe that sixty minutes did a segment on it a few years ago.
 

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Never heard of the people.
 

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There is no need or justification for any label other than CRIMINALS.
 

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Dirt Bags, Criminals, whatever, where-ever, no room on the planet for them. As roscoe intimated, they are susceptible to lead poisoning.
 

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From a Washington Post article.<br /><br />Each spring, in caravans of trucks and trailers that have replaced the ornate covered wagons of yore, the men pull out of Murphy Village. They fan out across the country to ply their trade, as do men from the clans in Texas and Tennessee. They are skilled driveway pavers, barn painters and roofers, often with regular seasonal customers.<br /><br />Sometimes their wives go along, depending on the ages of the kids and whether they're still in school. Sherlock calls it "going on a trip." She has gone out some seasons with her husband, Peter. While her husband worked this past summer, she went to Indiana and Illinois to shop with other Traveler women.<br /><br />But police in several states know some of these Travelers as something other than honest, hardworking folk. Some of them have a reputation, backed by arrests and convictions, for being relentless con artists. Like grifters, they move around the country running home improvement swindles. And the women sometimes run shoplifting scams, police say.<br /><br />Joe Livingston, an investigator with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division who is an expert on Traveler scams, estimates that perhaps 10 to 15 percent of the Murphy Village Travelers are thieves, or "yonks," as the Travelers label the wayward among them.<br /><br />However small the proportion, their impact is felt widely along the seasonal circuits they travel. Livingston calls it "nontraditional organized crime." And tracking the phenomenon is a nightmare, he says, because of the web of same-names and nicknames among the Travelers.<br /><br />Like others who have tangled with the Travelers, Livingston is both intrigued and mystified by their lifestyle.<br /><br />He can quote case after case of Traveler scams. The first he encountered was in 1984, up in Rhea County, Tenn. Some workmen completed a small construction job for an elderly man, who went inside the house to get money to pay them. They saw where he kept the cash, Livingston said, and returned later and stole it.<br /><br />Some of the scams are inventive. Several Travelers were arrested a few years ago over a scam in which a Traveler wore a white lab coat and a stethoscope and went door to door in rural South Carolina, telling old folks he was there to examine them for an increase in their Social Security benefits. During the "exam," other Travelers searched the house for cash.<br /><br />"They basically would go door to door seeking home improvement work, saying, 'Hey, I was working down the street and noticed your chimney needs some work and I'd be willing to do it for this wonderful price,' " says Tom Bartholomy, president of the Better Business Bureau in Charlotte and former president of the BBB of Northeastern Indiana. Unsuspecting homeowners, charmed by the Travelers' seeming earnestness, would agree and let them up on the roof. "Then they'd come down and say, 'Hey, this is going to take more than I thought. I need some more supplies. We're going to need a deposit.' And then they're gone.<br /><br />"I've been with the Better Business Bureau 20 years, and it's happened every year, like clockwork, like the swallows of Capistrano," he said. "When I was in Fort Wayne, they would usually come in RVs and stay at a campground, trailer-park-type area. The men would go around in pickup trucks to the neighborhoods, and the women would go to stores and steal merchandise. They go steal it, and then take it back for cash refunds." Investigator Livingston says, "There's always been speculation that women do things, but we haven't uncovered a big-time network yet."<br />www .rickross.com/reference/irish_travelers/irish_travelers10.html<br /><br />I read an article last fall that stated they had moved into high tech identity theft and computer scams.
 
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Therefore, Irish Travellers are all Criminals? :rolleyes: I can't believe that this kind of mis-association is acceptable. It is like saying the only good immigrant is a dead one. Like saying you didn't say c.... or sh! .... Well, I'll be a bankety blank blank, blanking son of a blank.
 

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Techno, I'm Irish and I'm not offended. There are some scum from any nationality or culture, and when I hear an Irish joke and it is a good one I laugh. If we can't laugh at ourself, who can we laugh at. The only reason they use the name Irish Travelers is they originated there. Don
 

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Can't get your driveway repaired here today and it doesn't look good for tomorrow either. What about there technocentsless?
 

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Methinks someone has struck a a Technonerve :eek: ;) :) ....JK
 

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You read me wrong, techno. Why am I not surprised?<br /><br />Irishness has nothing to do with it. It is criminal behavior that makes criminals, not genes.<br /><br />And while we're at it, it illegal entry into our country that makes illegal immigrants. Nothing to do with ethnic or cultural heritage.
 

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Most of what ya'll are talking about are not irish at all they come from south carolina and virgina,its sorta like a church cult thing really weird.
 
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Originally posted by don flowers:<br /> Techno, I'm Irish and I'm not offended. There are some scum from any nationality or culture, and when I hear an Irish joke and it is a good one I laugh. If we can't laugh at ourself, who can we laugh at. The only reason they use the name Irish Travelers is they originated there. Don
The reason you are not offended is you are terribly confused. The name may have originated in Ireland, what else would you call some one from Ireland, Mexican? Furthermore, are you suggesting that criminal behavior originated in Ireland? Or course not, so why link the irish to this nefarious activity. See above. ;)
 
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Originally posted by JRJ:<br /> Can't get your driveway repaired here today and it doesn't look good for tomorrow either. What about there technocentsless?
Been dry here for a week, I think this part of the state won't see rain again til October. I will be watching out for the Irish til then. :D
 

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I disagree about the lack of need for labels when it comes to crime. This is organized crime and I believe it is not only fair, but required, to identify the organization. To me it is no different than labeling a gang like the Crips and the Bloods or the Hells Angels for that matter. They are a group of criminals who have formed an alliance that does need to be defined.<br /><br />Now, there does not seem to be any need for an ethnic label, but again organized crime needs to be fought differently than a simple solo criminal. They work together on alibis, witness intimidation etc. How else are you going to combat that if you cannot identify them as a unique gang or group? My .02 . . .
 
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