Trim Tab Opinion ???

nobrainsd

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Hmmm, Maybe I shouldn't even post on this. I liked the performance of the lifters, but I had issues with them. Was it my fault? Was there some issue with my installation? I just find it hard to dis their product. They did try to make me happy, but I would have preferred a refund to the modified lifters I got sent. Maxi marine was responsive. Check out this thread for more info. http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=267881
The lifters did work well, made the ride sooo much better, were easily removed and made my boat plane much quicker. Just did not survive long for me. That said I am totally satisfied with my smart tabs. Have had no problems at all. They don't quite offer the same level of lift. Moving the weight forward in the boat really made my zodiac handle better. The combination of weight forward (tank and battery) with the smart tabs gives me a great hole shot with my mk2 futura and a 40hp nissan outboard. Search my past threads and judge for yourself whether I'm a pinhead... Hopefully someone else will pitch in with their experience.
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nobrainsd

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Is that a vote for pinhead...:)
 

DaveHarlos

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I put the Nauticus composite smart tabs on a 9' AB RIB with 8hp 4stroke merc and the result was nothing short of amazing - actually planes when dragging the kids on a tube.

You won't be dissapointed. Cheers, Dave
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Trim Tab Opinion ???

I put the Smart Tabs for roll up inflatables on mine>>
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Very happy with the performance, not so happy with the composite tabs and wish I had just put SS ones on to begin with.
 

George Zeck

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I just received the Nauticus Smart Tabs. WIll install them on my next trip to the boat (July 4th).

I ended going with 7x9 x 30lb on recommendation of Nauticus. Hope the install won't be too bad. Intimidated of putting screws / holes into the hull.

Tx-

George
 

Helmuth

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I'm a technical sales representative from Maxi Marine and have some additional information to add to "nobrainsd" comments on this thread. "nobrainsd" has a Futura hull which is completely different than most common inflatables, such as the 12 ft Apex RIB. The Futura hull rides up on speed tubes several inchs above the water. In "nobrainsd" email correspondence with Maxi Marine, he wondered if the turbulent water coming off the speed tubes had an affect on the durability of the Lifters, but also stated that he "would still recommend your product to those with smaller inflatables". We mentioned to "nobrainsd" that we have thousands of customers with Lifters installed on large and small boats without durability issues and sent him the following link of over 600+ eBay customer's positive feedback (no negative feedback) for the Lifters product:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=maximarine&ftab=AllFeedback

Regarding "nobrainsd" comments preferring a refund instead of a warranty replacement, we would like to add that he purchased his Lifters on 05/08/2007 and never asked for a refund on the original purchase. On 03/10/2008 "nobrainsd" order a replacement Lifter and later stated the probable cause as: "surmising that I had hit some obstruction". On 5/2/2008 "nobrainsd" suggested a refund only for the replacement part and stated "Regardless of what action Maximarine might choose to make, I really did appreciate the performance of the product while it was attached.", so we assumed shipping a free replacement part would be satisfactory, and also included additional installation parts with modifications for the Futura hull. After not having heard back from "nobrainsd" after four Summer months, we inquired if the modifications were working. He responded that he wasn't interested in trying the modifications, so we stated on August 12, 2008 that "we would still honor a return of the replacement" but he never sent the replacement part back for a refund.

We would also like to "pitch in" and not suggest moving weight forward as a solution to bow rise and a faster hole shot. In small chop or rough wave conditions this will dramatically reduce comfort and performance on most inflatables (a little less so on the Futura hull which rides above the water over small waves). With weight forward, the bow of the boat will have more resistance to upward motion when it encounters a moderate or large wave, and the bow will plow through the wave instead of rising (bobbing) over the wave. This is why most offshore racing boats have the center of weight (gravity) further aft and utilize large racing trim tabs to compensate.

I appreciate the opportunity to comment on our Lifters product and service in this forum.

Thank you,

Helmuth
Maxi Marine
 

nobrainsd

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An interesting response to my post. I feel it deserves some kind of reply. Yes, when my first lifter was lost entirely I assumed I must have hit something. But the subsequent loss and recovery of the second lifter disabused me of that notion. I did not ask for a refund on my initial purchase because I did not perceive that there was any issue with wear at the lifter clamping clip. I was definitely willing to replace the missing lifter. When the second lifter failed I contacted Maxi Marine and it is evident that we had a failure to communicate. Though I did state that the performance of the lifters was good I was asking for a refund on the replacement lifter that was still under warranty. Maxi Marine chose to send me a modified lifter and some additional parts instead. I did not chose to pursue the refund I asked for. Maxi Marine contacted me later and asked how the modified lifter worked. I made it clear that I had not installed the modified lifter and did not intend to do so. This disappointed the Maxi Marine rep and I was told about the extra effort the engineers put into modifying the shaped plastic clamping design and how they were hoping to get feedback from me. I do not remember ever being offered a refund in that e-mail exchange. I did annoy Maxi Marine by pointing out that short of hiring me to test the modified product I would not assume the liability of operating my vessel in a normal fashion with an accessory that had a demonstrated risk of detachment which might injure a towed individual (as in the first complete loss) or an individual in the boat (where the second lifter struck when pivoting on it's remaining support tube). To test the modified lifter under normal use on my Futura MK2 did not seem prudent or advisable.

The debate about whether my Futura with it's speed tubes is generating turbulence that leads to lifter failure is an interesting possibility. But the amount of wash off the speed tubes is not that significant. There is no "rooster tail" and my wake is so flat that my wakeboard riders call it flatboarding. It really would be nice to hear from other users. I do not consider e-bay ratings to be the final word on the product. Those ratings are initiated after the sale and reflect on the sale itself rather than any longterm evaluation. I can only comment on my direct experience.

I did find that the increased surface area of the lifters and their extended length did have a substantial influence on the planing capabilities of my vessel. However, I am not personally comfortable with a design that has a leading edge that is not permanently fastened to the hull. Any release by the clamp would cause the leading edge to catch the water flow from under the boat and that is going to exert more force than the remaining support tube can withstand. I would consider a large planing surface trim tab again, but the design would have to be more robust for my particular use. I would not personally recommend the lifters for use on larger vessels with bigger motors. That is solely my opinion. I do not wish to disparage Maxi Marine, but this forum is a place for sib owners to trade information and help others to make decisions for themselves. I would be doing a disservice to those here on this forum if I did not comment on my experience.

What really made me reply was the whole suggestion that moving weight forward is not an appropriate way to deal with bow rise. Inflatables have very light hulls. Add in the outboard, a gas can and maybe a battery (which most sib owners have stashed at the transom) and you do not have a reasonably balanced boat. I don't put everything and everybody upfront right at the bow. Moving my gas tank and my battery forward have had a distinct impact on the trim of my vessel. The combination of smaller surface area Smart tabs along with proper weight distribution has given me the handling characteristics that I expected when I purchased my zodiac. I'm sure not bobbing along bow down.

All in all I am not upset with Maxi Marine. I think they may have an exaggerated sense of how effective the clamping design is, but that is only my opinion. I can understand their interest in defending their product and brand online, but will continue to express my personal views and experiences with my fellow inflatable owners. It might be more effective if they were to encourage some lifter users with long term direct experience to post.

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my boat doesn't sit still very often...
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