Trim Tab problems

adam24601

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Hi, <br /><br />I have a 22 foot Sunrunner that I recently purchased with hydraulic tabs. I am not sure of brand but will check them tomorrow. One of the tabs could be moved a little by hand (with a good amount of pressure) and the other would not move by hand. I am getting horrible roll while underway as I increase speed. Is my actuator bad? I didn't think you should be able to hand move a hydraulic tab..is that true? Help please..I love my new used boat...but this rolling thing is really freaking me out...It feels like we are going to roll right over and I have to completely back off the throttle while the boat turns itself...<br /><br />Thanks.
 

Jdeagro

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Re: Trim Tab problems

tHIS IS NOT OUR PRODUCT BUT LET ME GIVE YOU A BIT OF TEMPORARY INFO.<br /><br />First determine which company is the manufactured the trim tabs. If it is Bennett Call 954-427-1400 and ask for tech services. <br /><br />Unless their is a hydraulic fluid leak in the system you should not be able to move the trim tabs by pushing up or down with your hands.<br /><br />I must assume that the helm switches are not working the tabs. Is this correct? If so have you checked the fuses, coinnections, etc.<br /><br />Last, If you can move the tabs all the way up, so that they are even with the bottom of the boat, then you should experience no handling problems. if you do it is likely that there is another problem.<br /><br />It also sounds as though the boat is running bow down at cruising speeds. if so either the tabs are deloyed, or you have the motor trim all the way down or you have a hydrofoil mounted to the anti ventilation plate just above the prop. OR a combination of these.
 

Tabman

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Re: Trim Tab problems

Adam,<br /><br />If they are Bennett Tabs I will be delighted to help. I can also troubleshoot the other brands as well.<br /><br />Actually most brands of hydraulic Trim Tabs can be pushed down with some force, but not up. <br /><br />Let me know the brand and age and I will do what I can to get you going asap.<br /><br />Tom McGow<br />Bennett Marine
 

adam24601

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Re: Trim Tab problems

Thanks for the info. They are bennett tabs and yesterday I followed some advice from the tech people and opened up the two celonoids (spelling) and looked for cracks in the plastic pieces and for missing parts. Everything looked good. I put everything back together and took it out again. It was operating better. I want to know what is the deal with a hydrofoil. There is one on this boat and I'm wondering if that is a good thing or not. I am now trying to get on plane with the tabs up and then make small adjustments. I might add some weight to the bow of the boat maybe 200 pounds and see if that helps..
 

Jdeagro

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Re: Trim Tab problems

Adam;<br /><br /><br />There is no reason why you should have a hydrofoil on the Motor in addition to the Bennett Tabs. I am not speaking for Tabman, however it would seem as though the previous owner did not know how to use the tabs, or the tabs where in need of service, or too small for the boa(which i doubt). Ask Tabman for a new owners manual, and read up on trim tabs. They are the best performance accessory you could have on a power boat. The foil is more likely to cause handling issue when used in conjunction with the tabs.<br /><br />Put them down at slow speeds and bring them up after you are on plane, then adjust them to the most effective possition when cruising, Just go out and use them (practice) for a while and you will understand.<br /><br />My recommendation take the hydrofoil off!
 

quantumleap

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Re: Trim Tab problems

adam, there have been numerous posts on this site with people having handling problems with tabs and it isn't until later thay they mention they also have a foil installed. I would remove the foil and see if that helps. Follow nautiJohns advice and either get a manual or contact Tabman to make sure you are set up correctly. The foil+tabs is overkill IMO.
 

Tabman

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Re: Trim Tab problems

Adam,<br /><br />Like the others said I would suggest removing the foil. Simply put let the Trim Tabs adjust the boat's attitude and use the power trim on the outboard to get max performance from the prop (see below). With proerly sized and operated Trim Tabs the foild will contribute nothing but drag and won't let you trim the motor for best results. If you go to our website www.bennetttrimtabs.com you can download an owner's manual from the home page. Also below you will find parts of an article I wrote a while back covering the use of Trim Tabs. It is a little more detailed the the manual and I hope you find it helpful.<br /><br />Let me know if I may be of any additional help.<br /><br />Tom McGow<br />Bennett Marine<br /><br />The key to getting the best out of Trim Tabs is experimenting with them since all boats are different and will respond diffrently to Trim Tab input. Use them in short bursts and let the boat settle down between corrections. <br /><br />Getting and Staying Trimmed <br /><br />All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution. <br /><br />A boat’s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.) <br />Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator’s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners <br /><br />A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle (see side bar Optimum Running Attitude) is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat’s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable. <br /><br />Indications of Running Untrimmed <br />When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth. <br /><br />Indications of Running Trimmed <br />The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding less strained. <br /><br />One Step at a Time <br />The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short bursts and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat’s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat’s particular traits. <br /><br />Take Off <br />Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds. <br />As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes over sensitive and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control bow up until the desired attitude is established. <br /><br />Getting the Most from Power Trim <br />Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat’s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings. <br /><br />Trimming to Sea Conditions <br />When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response. <br />Correction of a List <br /><br />As previously mentioned the normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat’s fore and aft attitude before you correct the athwartship trim. <br /><br />Correction of Porpoising <br />Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.
 

adam24601

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Re: Trim Tab problems

Thanks for all the info. I don't know if the tab is able to be pushed up now or not since the boat is in the water. I did not see anything wrong inside of the celonoid and there seemed to be plenty of fluid in the reservoir. Is there any other reason why I should have been able to push the tab up with a lot of force? Could the hydrofoil be messing with the tab? I am getting a "tail" of water rising up from the back even though my engine is all the way down...is that the foil? I hope I can get that off without taking the boat out of the water. I think it is just a few screws on the foil?? Any help please.
 

richg99

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Re: Trim Tab problems

My hydrofoil has four screws and nuts to hold it on. Simply remove them and you are done. RichG
 

Tabman II

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Re: Trim Tab problems

adam24601,<br /><br />I am Thomas and I work with Tabman in the Client Service Department at Bennett Marine.<br /><br />The only way for you to push up a trim tab is if you have a visible leak inside/outside of the transom or you have a Bleed-by Fault inside of the solenoid valve (allows fluid to bypass valve back to reservoir). I doubt the foil is pushing your trim tabs up, but there will be a time when the foil & trim tabs will fight against each other and this is the main reason clients will normally remove the foil. Try running the vessel over the weekend and let me know how your "sea trails" go on Monday!<br /><br />I look forward to your reply.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />MJ Thomas<br />Bennett Marine, Inc.<br />Client Services<br />trimtabs@earthlink.net<br />www.bennetttrimtabs.com
 
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