Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

karlp

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Does one need both trim tabs on the boat and tilt and trim on the motor for best results or does tilt and trim eliminate the need for trim tabs ?
 

magster65

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

I had them both on my SeaRay and I used them constantly. The tabs are great at low speed where as the trim is more useful at a higher speed.
 

BassMan283

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Don't have trim tabs on my Lund, but I understand that they are a supplement to tilt an d trim.
 

Boatist

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Karl<br />I have both on my boat and use the trim tabs a lot more then the trim. Basicly trim the boat with the trim tabs, then trim engine for highest rpm at same throttle this is where get best fuel mileage.<br /><br />The trim tabs are the best thing I ever added to my boat. They improved the ride so much. One thing trim tabs can do that engine trim can not do is level the boat. My boat always leans into the wind and on day when it is windy and rough with boat leaning into the wind would get lotw of spray then wind would blow it right in boat. Now I just hit the tab to level the boat so that side of boat higher and water sprayed more out to the side so stay dry.
 

johnp034

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Excellent reply Boatist. I would just add, you don't say what size your ride is? I've got a 21' CenterConsole, w/150Merc B.J.(Black Junk), and I have both. You use them in conjunction with each other. Tabs first, then trim to highest RPM with comfortable steering. Remember, when you use tabs, you're actually lifting the rear of the hull out of the water, not lowering the nose. You can get real squirrely when you start playing with both tabs and trim.
 

Tabman II

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Karl Paoletti,<br /><br />I am Thomas and I work for Bennett Marine in the Client Service Department. <br /><br />I have copied below a brief outline for using trim tabs to their fullest extent on a vessel. Honestly, we all use the outdrive’s tilt/trim to change the running attitude of the vessel’s we pilot, but it really wasn’t designed to do this. The outdrive’s tilt/trim ability was intended to position the prop at the appropriate angle to provide the most efficient use of its thrust, which is to propel the vessel thru the water. Any time you “tuck” the drive under or tilt it out you are using some of the prop’s thrust to lift the stern or bow, which from holeshot would be advisable but even then as soon as you are on plane you start to tilt it out to gain as much thrust from it as possible. Any time the power trim is used to adjust your running attitude the prop will operating at an angle to the water flow. This increases prop slippage & wastes RPMs, since you are now asking it to provide both thrust & trim the vessel. Trim tabs unburden the prop of trimming the vessel and allow you to achieve the optimum running attitude and maximum the efficiency of your engine over a greater range of conditions. After you read over this outline you may have a few more questions, so feel free to contact me here or at trimtabs@earthlink.net. <br /><br />I look forward to your reply.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />MJ Thomas<br />Bennett Marine, Inc.<br />Client Services<br />www.bennetttrimtabs.com<br /><br />One Step at a Time<br />The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short “bursts” and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat’s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat’s particular traits.<br /><br />Take Off <br />Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds. <br /><br />As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up over trimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes “over sensitive” and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control "bow up" until the desired attitude is established.<br /><br />Getting the Most from Power Trim<br />Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine-tune the attitude. By observing the boat’s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.<br /><br />Trimming to Sea Conditions<br />When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.<br /><br />Correction of a List<br />Using the trim tab controls you may operate one trim tab independently and correct for a list. This list may be caused by uneven weight distribution, prop torque or wind,<br /><br />You may find it easier to correct the boat’s fore and aft attitude before you correct the athwartship trim.<br /><br />Correction of Porpoising<br />Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.
 

karlp

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Tabhman II<br /><br />I am convinced that I will put trim tabs on my boat. If I had not mentioned it before it is a Starcraft Islander, 23 1/2 aluminum deep V hull with two 70HP Johnsons. Total weight with gas, motors and two people is about 2700 lbs. I have decided on a 12X12 size primarily due to space restrictions. Now my question is which brand:<br />Trim Master TMS1212, Insta Trim 12X12 or Bennett M-120. There is about a $100 difference in price. In another reply you mentioned a Bennett tab with a 3" drop down edge. What model is that ? Appreciate your comments.
 

Tabman II

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Karl Paoletti,<br /><br />Please tell me if your hull's running surface extends passed the transom maybe 2" or less, like a lip? If so, then you should most likely use our Bottom Mounted trim tabs. Our Standard Transom Mounts install in a vertical position, where as our Bottom Mounts install in a horizontal position right off the bottom of the vessel. Of course, you cannot have any lifting strakes in this area, since it must be flat for the mounting plates. Please let me know about the lip or not as soon as you.<br /><br />Now, as to the size of trim tabs for your vessel. If you have already checked your Available Mounting Area (determined by starting 3-4" from the chine and measuring to within 8" of the outdrive) and 12" Span (side-to-side) is as large as you can fit, then I would install our 12 x 12 w/3" Drop Fins (Part# 1212DFRSW). The 3” Drop Fin is an addition that can be added to a trim tab to increase its performance by channeling the water flow under the tab and holding it there to produce the maximum lift capable of the tab. They are 3” fins that angle 90 degrees down on the sides, there by not allowing the water flow to “escape” and keeping it under the tab for the full length. These would bring your boat closer to the trim tab size we suggest for its length. If you find you can increase your Span over 12", then keep in mind we offer trim tabs in 2" increments from 12" up to 24" and then we go to 6" increments. The closer to you can get to 24 x 9's (suggested size for your vessel) the better the trim tabs will perform. Please take a look at your transom and let me know your findings.<br /><br />I look forward to your reply.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />MJ Thomas<br />Bennett Marine, Inc.<br />Client Services<br />www.bennetttrimtabs.com
 

karlp

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Tabman II - To answer your question, the hull running surface does not extend beyond the transom. The hull is riveted aluminum with a slight radius at the bottom of the transom and a larger radius at the chine. The 12" width will fit easily and I may be able to squeeze in 14" but I have two transducers to relocate along with two large zinc anodes. The anodes are no problem as I can probably just raise them above the trim tab hinges but the transducer locations may be more difficult. Thanks.
 

Tabman II

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Re: Trim tabs versus Trim and tilt

Karl Paoletti,<br /><br />Well, then go with the 14 x 12 w/3" Drop Fins and since your transom doesn't have the 2" lip the standard Transom Mounts should do the job quite nicely. The part number for the kit would be 1412DFRSW and any of your local marine dealers, catalog &/or internet retailers will be able to order it for you using this number so give them a call!<br /><br />If you have anymore questions, feel free to contact me.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />MJ Thomas<br />Bennett Marine, Inc.<br />Client Services<br />trimtabs@earthlink.net
 
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