Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

ErikF

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Hello Everyone,

I've read quite a few positive testimonials for trim tabs on the forum. However I've never really looked into them myself and I'm honestly not completely clear on what they do and whether or not they would be beneficial on my boat, a 21' Starcraft Chieftain aluminum cuddy cabin.

I'm asking because a complete set of Bennett hydraulic tabs showed up on the local Craigslist for $150 and for the price they've peaked my interest.

I've attached a picture. tabs.jpg

I know that tabs need to be properly sized for the boat but even if these wouldn't work I'd like to learn more about the advantages of having trim tabs and more importantly whether or not they're worth having on a lightweight aluminum boat.

Thanks for any/all advice,

Erik
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

I know that tabs need to be properly sized for the boat but even if these wouldn't work I'd like to learn more about the advantages of having trim tabs and more importantly whether or not they're worth having on a lightweight aluminum boat.

Ayuh,... I put an Over-sized(9x18") set of Bennetts on my SC 221 Islander, more so to use as trolling brakes, than trim tabs...
But,...
I'll tell ya this,...
It was like addin' another 2' to the hull....
Other than goin' from a 120hp, to a 205hp, the tabs were the single most Best investment on the whole project...
 

ErikF

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

It was like addin' another 2' to the hull....
Other than goin' from a 120hp, to a 205hp, the tabs were the single most Best investment on the whole project...

Okay, I'll be showing my ignorance here but was the major advantage you saw when you added the tabs and "added 2' to the hull."

Better handling? Better ride in chop? Better stability?

Sorry if that seems like a stupid question but I've never had tabs before so I'm not sure what to expect. Sounds like this might be a case of ignorance being bliss.

For the price I might have to grab them just for the sake of experimentation, they're probably a little over optimal size (seller says they came off a 23' boat).

Philster,

Thanks for the links!
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

by the time we finish talking about the benefits of tabs here....they will be gone.....:eek:

drop the key board......pick up the phone......make the call.....and break all speed limits to buy them.....:D

they are worth 600 bux.....you can re sell them for 300 if you dont like them.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

by the time we finish talking about the benefits of tabs here....they will be gone.....:eek:

drop the key board......pick up the phone......make the call.....and break all speed limits to buy them.....:D

they are worth 600 bux.....you can re sell them for 300 if you dont like them.

Ain't that the truth! He who hesitates is still looking. LOL
 

ErikF

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

I called the guy and left a message. If he calls me back I'll try to go take a look tonight.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Better handling? Better ride in chop? Better stability?

Yes,....
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Erikf, when they are in the down posisiton they cause the nose of the boat to be pressed down into the water and will do two things. They will let you get on plane with less Horse Power, at lower speeds, and will help you stablize the boat in heavy seas by not allowing the bow to "fly" off the back of large waves thus causing the boat to jump into the air. I just makes for a smoother safer ride. Additionally they will let you balance the boat when you have list to one side which sometimes occures when the boat is loaded improperly or in strong wind conditions. Just push one of the tabs down (i believe smart tabs do it by themselves) and the boat will lean the opposite way. They are nice (great in my opinion) to have, but not nesessary if you have been getting along without them already. On the other hand $150 is a heck of a deal and I would probably jump on them for that price!
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

I owned a early 70's 21' Chieftain with a 165 Merc i/o for years. I ran it in the river, bay, and mostly the Gulf of Mexico. At no time did I ever feel the boat needed trim tabs. I should have never sold it. Buy the tabs for resale but I would not put them on your Chieftain if it has the 165 i/o.
 

ErikF

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Well, I grabbed the tabs, they're in nice shape and the seller wired them up to demonstrate that the pump, switch, and hydraulics all work as they should.

Unfortunately I didn't see Mitch's post before I went out to grab the tabs. I think I'll still try them if for nothing more than experimentation, if I'm not happy with the difference I can always remove them and weld up the holes in the transom.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Hey, Erik - if they they don't work well on the Chieftain you can more than get your $ back. So it's a good score.
 

ErikF

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Hey, Erik - if they they don't work well on the Chieftain you can more than get your $ back. So it's a good score.

That's pretty much my thinking. I figured for the price it would be pretty hard to make a mistake. I also have an 18' Blue-Fin Sea King (similar to a Starcraft Holiday) that I could throw the tabs on if further research (and testing) proves they're not needed nor beneficial on the Chieftain. The Sea King definitely has an issue with bow rise... :)
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Well, I grabbed the tabs, they're in nice shape and the seller wired them up to demonstrate that the pump, switch, and hydraulics all work as they should.

Unfortunately I didn't see Mitch's post before I went out to grab the tabs. I think I'll still try them if for nothing more than experimentation, if I'm not happy with the difference I can always remove them and weld up the holes in the transom.

Don't worry about Mitch's post, just because he saw no reason to have a set of tabs because he was already happy with the performance, really doesn't mean much. The tabs properly installed and operated will improve the performance all around. You got a good deal on the tabs and will be happy to have them in various conditions. Trim tabs will help almost any stern motor mounted boat. No boat with the motor mounted in the stern performs better without tabs imo. Just make sure they are installed properly. The "tabman" here can help you with any questions you have regarding the installation or if you need any parts in the future.

Read through Bennetts website also to learn proper operation, if you don't know the right way to operate them, they will do you no good and may be a diservice. Good luck and enjoy.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

Eric F,

It sounds like you got a great deal. The Tabs in the picture appear to be standard 12 x9s. That is a little undersized but should work quite well on your boat. If you feel that a larger size would work better after you try them out you could replace the planes with 12 x 12 in the future without moving the mounts for them or the actuators (rams) .

Here is a link to the installation instructions to help you get them on your boat http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/pdf/instIcon/trimtab_es2000_installation.pdf

I will be delighted to help with any questions you have when you go to install them.

Below you is a "Using Trim Tabs" article I wrote to help first time users get the best results from them.

Getting and Staying Trimmed

All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution.

A boat?s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.)

Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator?s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners

A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle (see side bar Optimum Running Attitude) is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat?s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable.

Indications of Running Untrimmed
When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth.

Indications of Running Trimmed
The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding ?less strained?.

One Step at a Time
The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short ?bursts? and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat?s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat?s particular traits.

Take Off
Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds.
As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes ?over sensitive? and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control ?bow up" until the desired attitude is established.

Getting the Most from Power Trim
Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat?s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.

Trimming to Sea Conditions
When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.

Correction of a List
The normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat?s fore and aft attitude before you correct the side to side trim.

Correction of Porpoising
Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

I owned a early 70's 21' Chieftain with a 165 Merc i/o for years. I ran it in the river, bay, and mostly the Gulf of Mexico. At no time did I ever feel the boat needed trim tabs. I should have never sold it. Buy the tabs for resale but I would not put them on your Chieftain if it has the 165 i/o.

I had the 18ft '65 Holiday 110 I/O (first out, before it became the standard 120). First of all you had all that weight at the stern, not all that much HP and folks just loved to sit in the jump seats and rest their elbows on the engine cover.....more weight.

Smart tabs would have been marvelous in assisting me in getting on plane and remaining there at cruising speed....GET EM!!!

Mark
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

I have to say that those videos that they have on their website are some of the worst videos I have ever watched. The quality of them is as bad as watching an old projector reel. You would think that Nauticus would update their videos!
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

There is no doubt that active tabs and passive tabs can be a big help in handling and ride.
However all tabs when used agressively will reduce mpg slightly.
You would probably need a flow meter to tell the difference.The few tests I saw The best speed and/or miles per gallon
were achieved with tabs fully retracted.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

ErickF. Did you ever install the tabs ? I'm curious because I have a 21' 1974 sc cheiftain converted to center console and it does not like chop at all. No trouble getting on plane but just cant stop it riding up and slamming down hard in good chop.
 

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Re: Trim tabs worth it (21' Starcraft Chieftain)

ErickF. Did you ever install the tabs ? I'm curious because I have a 21' 1974 sc cheiftain converted to center console and it does not like chop at all. No trouble getting on plane but just cant stop it riding up and slamming down hard in good chop.

Ayuh,.... That's Never gonna stop,... The hull is too Flat, not enough dead-rise to cut a wave...
 
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